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ALLI SPARGO Explores Human Behaviours at Work - 015 Leadership stance through Covid

015 Leadership stance through Covid

11/29/22 • 42 min

ALLI SPARGO Explores Human Behaviours at Work

KEY TAKEAWAYS

“...you had to come to the table knowing that while you had a lot of experience, you may have some suggestions but you had no solutions in your kickback. This was unprecedented work... you didn't know that you were doing the right thing. You didn't know whether you were doing the wrong thing. You just were making some decisions based on the amount on the limited amount of evidence”

“There were times when you had to take on some commands and control...that were directives coming from the top...you've got to stop doing that and now you've got to do this. And that was very alien to me. I'm not a kind of directive leader... I didn't genuinely wield that kind of that kind of power. When I did that with my team did respond because they knew that I was serious because I've never really spoken to people like that before”

“...It's like being at war in a way... you're given your orders; you may not agree with them, you may not understand them and they may not be right... you just do it... that in itself was very comforting, because you have a set of clear instructions.”

“There was a real sort of what we refer to as a Dunkirk Spirit... We all knew that we had a task to do and we were, obviously some days asking people to really play to their skills...”

“...human beings are very resilient... a lot of people have been reviewing their work life balance... having spent a long time working from home, some people have found the benefits of that some people can't wait to get back into the office...we see the risks”

“...people's anxieties about going into the into the office is causing harm, because people are very anxious about it. We're also doing this against a backdrop of economic issues, I know there's an enormous amount of anxiety that people are starting to experience around the economic distress that we're going to be entering as well...the cost of travelling into work, the costs of dressing for work, the cost of buying a coffe...”

“...being a menopausal lady, things sometimes slip one's mind. You tend to turn up in a room and say ‘What the hell am I doing?’... The reason that we laugh about it and joke about it is because it's actually quite tough... we do tend to sort of corner the menopause as a big drama. But many men do have issues of their own and getting older isn't easy for anybody”

“If I have got something useful to contribute to the workplace, people will continue to give me a job to do. If I haven't, then c'est la vie. But, while I still have a contribution to make, I am what I am. And I don't have to pretend to be anything else. I think that's one of the wonderful things about the menopause, actually, you do realise that you are, you are an entirely flawed human human construction,”

ABOUT KATE JONES

Kate is Director of Research Delivery for the NIHR Clinical Research Network which provides infrastructure and support to the NHS and social care to enable the conduct of high-quality research. Kate has worked with the NIHR since its inception in 2007, having previously worked in both healthcare governance and as a research fellow. Kate is married with two grown up daughters and lives in Broadstairs in Kent.

CONNECT WITH KATE

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kate-jones

ABOUT THE HOST – ALLI SPARGO

Alli is the mother of two daughters and a son, a wife, a daughter and a sister. She is also an executive leadership coach who passionately believes that every individual has the potential to be who they want to be, and do what they want to do (she is living proof of that!): to BE the BEST version of themselves. Alli specialises in behavioural performance as an executive leadership and systemic team coach. Her breadth of business experience, together with her coaching and facilitation expertise, enables her to enhance leadership capability and personal impact, whilst understanding the demands of the commercial and organisational environment.

WORK WITH ALLI

If you would like explore how working with Alli would support you to be the person you want to be, have the career (and life) you want to have and support your team to perform at their optimum, then please book a free 1 hour meeting with her using this link: Exploring Human Behaviour At Work

CONNECT WITH ALLI

Follow me here with more amazing guest interviews and share with your Podcast friends.

https://linktr.ee/allispargo

instagram.com/allisonspargoltd

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KEY TAKEAWAYS

“...you had to come to the table knowing that while you had a lot of experience, you may have some suggestions but you had no solutions in your kickback. This was unprecedented work... you didn't know that you were doing the right thing. You didn't know whether you were doing the wrong thing. You just were making some decisions based on the amount on the limited amount of evidence”

“There were times when you had to take on some commands and control...that were directives coming from the top...you've got to stop doing that and now you've got to do this. And that was very alien to me. I'm not a kind of directive leader... I didn't genuinely wield that kind of that kind of power. When I did that with my team did respond because they knew that I was serious because I've never really spoken to people like that before”

“...It's like being at war in a way... you're given your orders; you may not agree with them, you may not understand them and they may not be right... you just do it... that in itself was very comforting, because you have a set of clear instructions.”

“There was a real sort of what we refer to as a Dunkirk Spirit... We all knew that we had a task to do and we were, obviously some days asking people to really play to their skills...”

“...human beings are very resilient... a lot of people have been reviewing their work life balance... having spent a long time working from home, some people have found the benefits of that some people can't wait to get back into the office...we see the risks”

“...people's anxieties about going into the into the office is causing harm, because people are very anxious about it. We're also doing this against a backdrop of economic issues, I know there's an enormous amount of anxiety that people are starting to experience around the economic distress that we're going to be entering as well...the cost of travelling into work, the costs of dressing for work, the cost of buying a coffe...”

“...being a menopausal lady, things sometimes slip one's mind. You tend to turn up in a room and say ‘What the hell am I doing?’... The reason that we laugh about it and joke about it is because it's actually quite tough... we do tend to sort of corner the menopause as a big drama. But many men do have issues of their own and getting older isn't easy for anybody”

“If I have got something useful to contribute to the workplace, people will continue to give me a job to do. If I haven't, then c'est la vie. But, while I still have a contribution to make, I am what I am. And I don't have to pretend to be anything else. I think that's one of the wonderful things about the menopause, actually, you do realise that you are, you are an entirely flawed human human construction,”

ABOUT KATE JONES

Kate is Director of Research Delivery for the NIHR Clinical Research Network which provides infrastructure and support to the NHS and social care to enable the conduct of high-quality research. Kate has worked with the NIHR since its inception in 2007, having previously worked in both healthcare governance and as a research fellow. Kate is married with two grown up daughters and lives in Broadstairs in Kent.

CONNECT WITH KATE

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kate-jones

ABOUT THE HOST – ALLI SPARGO

Alli is the mother of two daughters and a son, a wife, a daughter and a sister. She is also an executive leadership coach who passionately believes that every individual has the potential to be who they want to be, and do what they want to do (she is living proof of that!): to BE the BEST version of themselves. Alli specialises in behavioural performance as an executive leadership and systemic team coach. Her breadth of business experience, together with her coaching and facilitation expertise, enables her to enhance leadership capability and personal impact, whilst understanding the demands of the commercial and organisational environment.

WORK WITH ALLI

If you would like explore how working with Alli would support you to be the person you want to be, have the career (and life) you want to have and support your team to perform at their optimum, then please book a free 1 hour meeting with her using this link: Exploring Human Behaviour At Work

CONNECT WITH ALLI

Follow me here with more amazing guest interviews and share with your Podcast friends.

https://linktr.ee/allispargo

instagram.com/allisonspargoltd

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014 Who am I? The ultimate question

Always the definitive gentle-man. Considerate, thought provoking, provocative, highly experienced, highly regarded, and self-aware, Bill generously shares honest and real stories of a career well-travelled in communication and PR.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

“One learns to control one’s behaviours, one learns quickly to adapt to the people around one, and one learns from others as they’re talking, they’ve all gone through that process...the bank at that time was full of lifers."

“You only needed the one mask, back in that day, everything was strict hierarchy, strict codes of dress and so actually you just took your slot and just move along with the crowd, today is much more difficult because everybody needs multiple masks and it’s a much more challenging environment in a way.”

“We couldn’t have a standard dress code, we had to make them (clients) comfortable... my record was four different outfits in one day”

"If you’re going to be safe in your work environment, people must play the game and behave themselves and appear in a certain light, tick the right boxes, say the right things in the appropriate meetings, not just the right thing, but in the right way... and one learns these things”

"The great communicators are the ones who can engage with the greatest number of audiences, my own expression is that they have the biggest footprint, so the more people they can engage with, the more effective they’re going to be. So you find people being truly chameleon in the way they operate. Now that’s fundamental to their success in their job and fundamental in their ability to engage with people. Whether that’s good for them is a different question.”

“Do we do it... sadly yes, go into any company and people are constantly in that mode they’re holding meetings about meetings about what they might say to the chief exec about X... We’re talking about people’s ability to relax and feel confident that they can articulate a particular point of view or a particular emotion without there being a sanction which might be imposed on them.”

“It’s not because we are saying to Mary Have you’re say and what your say goes it’s just giving her the chance to be open and participate and to feel that she’s been able to participate... it may be that Mary has a dumb idea, but she should still be able to articulate it and put it into the discussion.”

“all of this mask stuff is great up to a point, it gets us through the day, it enables us to engage with lots of different people, but ultimately if you don’t know who you are yourself you’re alienated from yourself. The Marx things was about being alienated from your work, if you were in a mass production environment, you no longer had that personal relationship with the product you were making, and Marx extrapolated loads from that. I think the alienation today is between the individuals many masks, whether that’s the social media masks, the ways they want to present, and the person that they are themselves and that for me is a real issue. The work you’re doing, Being Humans at Work, encouraging people to be more comfortable being themselves at work is essential because it’s not just the nice to have it’s the necessity to help with this whole balance in mental health – there is problem there that people are suffering with.”

“Finding one’s Fundamental Self (John Paul Sartre) if one has a sense of oneself then when you put on a mask you know what you’re doing, there’s a relationship between you and the mask which is very clear and you take the mask of and you say “I don’t want to upset old so and so also I’ll wear this mask this evening .. when you lose the consciousness of masking and unmasking when the transition from one to another is just every day when you wake up and go to sleep perhaps without ever not having had a mask on then I think you are in real trouble, that’s when I ended up with that 5000-word essay pointed at my head (which I couldn’t write!)”

“so much of what we do is learnt as we go along, there are all sorts of people out there who look a bit like me as a communicator trying to manipulate what it is you learn, so you know I want to embed into your consciousness the view that when you walk down a street if you’ve got a choice between Costa and Starbucks you’re always going to choose one rather than another ... there’s all of that stuff hitting us, there’s all what we learn in a normal way, if there’s is such a thing, and there is what we inherit what we imbibe from our families and our communities, and all of that goes into that fundamental selfness”

"Two non-negotiable behaviours that every leader needs to role model? Curiosity – a leader must always be willing to engage and learn from opposing points of view. Not necessarily accept them but be willing to debate them because if not that’s not leadership,...

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