
S2 Ep07 - Discovery in the Unknown & Being The Fool
04/17/24 • 26 min
As creators, we often find ourselves entangled in a web of indecision, perfectionism, and self-doubt, which prevents us from fully unlocking our creative potential. To liberate ourselves, we need to embrace the unknown, confronting and accepting the risks of failure, judgment, and feelings of inadequacy. But how can we transform our fear of the unknown into a playground of creativity and discovery?
In this episode, we explore the challenges and fears that hold us back from stepping into the unknown of our creative projects, and how adopting a stance of playful curiosity can lead us to unexpected discoveries. We examine how fear, resistance, and the quest for a "safe middle ground" affect our creative journeys and introduce the archetype of The Fool as a guiding principle in creative exploration.
Join me as we explore how the practice of stepping boldly into the unknown, armed with curiosity and a sense of adventure, can transform the creative process into a journey of self-discovery and meaningful expression.
Topics Covered
- The importance of exploring the unknown in creative projects
- Confronting and understanding the fears that prevent us from creative exploration
- The archetype of The Fool as a metaphor for embracing uncertainty and risk in creativity
- Overcoming indecision, perfectionism, and the fear of judgement
- The illusion of a "safe middle ground" in creativity and its pitfalls
- The role of curiosity, play, and adventure in transforming the creative process
- Adopting The Fool stance in creative endeavors
- Choosing a stand and stepping into the unknown with confidence and purpose
Transcript
You can find the transcript on the episode's web page by clicking here.
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Music: Salem Belladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Post-production: Diana C. Guzmán Caro & Amanda Goddard
As creators, we often find ourselves entangled in a web of indecision, perfectionism, and self-doubt, which prevents us from fully unlocking our creative potential. To liberate ourselves, we need to embrace the unknown, confronting and accepting the risks of failure, judgment, and feelings of inadequacy. But how can we transform our fear of the unknown into a playground of creativity and discovery?
In this episode, we explore the challenges and fears that hold us back from stepping into the unknown of our creative projects, and how adopting a stance of playful curiosity can lead us to unexpected discoveries. We examine how fear, resistance, and the quest for a "safe middle ground" affect our creative journeys and introduce the archetype of The Fool as a guiding principle in creative exploration.
Join me as we explore how the practice of stepping boldly into the unknown, armed with curiosity and a sense of adventure, can transform the creative process into a journey of self-discovery and meaningful expression.
Topics Covered
- The importance of exploring the unknown in creative projects
- Confronting and understanding the fears that prevent us from creative exploration
- The archetype of The Fool as a metaphor for embracing uncertainty and risk in creativity
- Overcoming indecision, perfectionism, and the fear of judgement
- The illusion of a "safe middle ground" in creativity and its pitfalls
- The role of curiosity, play, and adventure in transforming the creative process
- Adopting The Fool stance in creative endeavors
- Choosing a stand and stepping into the unknown with confidence and purpose
Transcript
You can find the transcript on the episode's web page by clicking here.
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Music: Salem Belladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Post-production: Diana C. Guzmán Caro & Amanda Goddard
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S2 Bonus - Linda McIntyre on Music, Healing, and Community
At the heart of every challenge lies the potential for innovation, unity, and profound personal growth. Music, with its boundless capacity to express, heal, and unite, offers a unique vantage point on life's challenges.
This week I have the privilege to be joined by Linda McIntyre, a composer, conductor, and pioneer at the forefront of using music as a transformative force to bring light to the shadows of Parkinson's disease. Her work with the New Voice Choir not only showcases the transformative power of music but also the strength found in community and shared experiences.
In this episode, we uncover the layers of Linda's mission, diving into the relationship between music and wellness, the communal strength born from shared vulnerability, and the transformative journey of turning adversity into art. We explore the nuances of creating a safe, nurturing space where music serves as both a bridge and a destination, inviting us to consider the broader implications of artistic expression as a form of therapy and celebration.
Join us as we tune into the melodies of resilience, exploring how creativity, when fueled by love and resilience, can transcend personal challenges, and inspire collective healing and joy.
Topics Covered
- The interplay of music and healing in Parkinson's management
- Building community and support through choir participation
- Harnessing personal challenges as fuel for creative expression
- The transformative journey from individual struggle to collective strength
- The role of creativity in enhancing physical and mental well-being
- Adapting artistic practices for inclusivity and accessibility
- The importance and value of routine in sustaining creative projects
- Navigating the challenges of leadership and inspiration in therapeutic settings
- Music as a bridge between personal experience and communal healing
- The impact of collaborative art on overcoming societal stigmas
Transcript
You can find the transcript on the episode's web page by clicking here.
Linda's Bio & Resources
Linda is an award-winning composer, arranger, teacher, director, & performer – just an all-round muso, really! More recently, her PhD candidature has been added to the mix with the aim of producing a portfolio of new music based on a narrative of lived trauma.
As a composer with Parkinson’s, Linda is in a unique position to record a case study within her PhD, evaluating the impacts of Parkinson’s disease on her deepest levels of mathematical creativity across a period of years. Some surprising reverse developments have already come to light within this process!
She is the co-founder & musical director of New Voice Choir (NVC), a group that celebrates people with Parkinson’s and their supporters.
The combining of music composition with Parkinson’s, teaching, and the uplifting NVC community has become an abiding passion for Linda.
- NVC’s website: www.newvoicechoir.org.au
- Video: Fighting Parkinson’s the Musical Way
Zen Habits Resources
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Credits
Music: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Post-production: Diana C. Guzmán Caro & Amanda Goddard
Next Episode

S2 Bonus - Beth Adele Long on Resilience in the Creative Process
At the intersection of technical precision and creative insight lies a unique pathway to understanding the world around us. By blending the analytical skills of engineering with the reflective practices of writing and mysticism, we unlock new dimensions of personal and professional growth, transforming challenges into innovative solutions.
In this episode, I'm excited to welcome Beth Adele Long — an engineer by training, a writer by passion, and a mystic by inclination — who embodies this unique convergence of skills. Beth shares her experiences of writing both a memoir and a technical guide, providing a fascinating look at how diverse disciplines can inform and enrich each other, and how feedback becomes a vital tool in navigating the creative process and cultivating resilience. Together, we explore how her expertise in resilience engineering informs her creative pursuits, fostering a richer, more comprehensive understanding of life’s complexities.
Join us as we dive into a discussion that bridges the gap between systematic thinking and the boundless world of creative expression, illustrating the transformative power of integrating these realms.
Topics Covered
- Blending technical proficiency with creative writing
- The role of personal resilience in professional success
- Learning from failures in software development and writing
- The impact of receiving and integrating feedback
- Overcoming imposter syndrome through multiple creative projects
- Insights from co-founding Spiral Press and its innovative approach to publishing
- The integration of mysticism in a technical career
- Strategies for managing multiple projects and maintaining creative energy
Transcript
You can find the transcript on the episode's web page by clicking here.
Beth's Bio & Resources
Beth Adele Long is an engineer by training and a mystic by inclination. She currently coaches software companies in Resilience Engineering; writes memoir, travelogues, and fantastical fiction; and is a co-founder of Spiral Press. She lives in Portland, Oregon with her dazzling husband and a beautiful patchwork family.
Zen Habits Resources
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Credits
Music: Salem Belladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Post-production: Diana C. Guzmán Caro & Amanda Goddard
Zen Habits Podcast - S2 Ep07 - Discovery in the Unknown & Being The Fool
Transcript
Welcome to the Zen Habits podcast, where we dive into how to work with uncertainty, resistance, and fear around our meaningful work. This is for anyone who wants to create an impact in the world and cares deeply enough to do the work. I'm your host, Leo Babauta, creator of the Zen Habits blog.
Okay, so in this episode, we're going to talk about exploring the unknown as we create. As you take on a creative project, what is it like to actually step int
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