
S1 Bonus - Derek Sivers on the Pursuit of Meaningful Work
10/18/23 • 57 min
In this bonus episode, Leo sits down with Derek Sivers to explore harnessing fear as a source of energy, mastering courage, and aligning values with actions in the pursuit of meaningful work.
Dive into this captivating conversation filled with wisdom and valuable insights!
Topics Covered
- The concept of "fear as energy" and how it can be harnessed for creative pursuits
- The importance of choosing work that excites you rather than drains you
- The significance of taking the first step to engage with inspiration and start your journey
- The idea of embracing discomfort and stepping out of one's comfort zone
- The concept of self-talk and the role of inspiration in creative endeavors
- The practice of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) in journaling to challenge beliefs
- The role of predicting and imagining the future in human decision-making
- The story of Buridan's donkey and avoiding indecision by choosing one task to start
- Recognizing that you can do anything but not everything, and focusing on one passion at a time
Resources
- Derek's website
- Derek's list of favorite books
- Book: Anything You Want: 40 lessons for a new kind of entrepreneur (2011)
- Book: How To Live: 27 Conflicting Answers and One Weird Question (2021)
- Book: Useful Not True: whatever works for you
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Intro music composition: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
In this bonus episode, Leo sits down with Derek Sivers to explore harnessing fear as a source of energy, mastering courage, and aligning values with actions in the pursuit of meaningful work.
Dive into this captivating conversation filled with wisdom and valuable insights!
Topics Covered
- The concept of "fear as energy" and how it can be harnessed for creative pursuits
- The importance of choosing work that excites you rather than drains you
- The significance of taking the first step to engage with inspiration and start your journey
- The idea of embracing discomfort and stepping out of one's comfort zone
- The concept of self-talk and the role of inspiration in creative endeavors
- The practice of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) in journaling to challenge beliefs
- The role of predicting and imagining the future in human decision-making
- The story of Buridan's donkey and avoiding indecision by choosing one task to start
- Recognizing that you can do anything but not everything, and focusing on one passion at a time
Resources
- Derek's website
- Derek's list of favorite books
- Book: Anything You Want: 40 lessons for a new kind of entrepreneur (2011)
- Book: How To Live: 27 Conflicting Answers and One Weird Question (2021)
- Book: Useful Not True: whatever works for you
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Intro music composition: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
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S1 Ep09 - Building Self-Trust
What could you create in your life if you had more self-trust? What would it feel like to have more self-trust, and how do we cultivate more of it?
In this episode, we will talk about why cultivating more self-trust is essential for going deeper into our meaningful work, where we get stuck in creating more of it, and how we can continue to create more trust in ourselves.
Topics Covered
- Leo shares a listener's experience, highlighting the concept that success and failure are part of the process of developing self-trust
- How our thoughts and narratives about our actions play a significant role in our self-trust
- The process of growth involves stepping into the unknown, making mistakes, and learning from them
- Building trust in oneself is essential for taking on new challenges, expanding one's horizons, and approaching tasks with ease
- Trust allows individuals to navigate uncertainty and trust that they can handle whatever comes their way
- The episode discusses practical examples of building self-trust, such as Leo's experience with writing and speaking on stage
- The importance of taking action and not getting stuck in avoidance techniques like excessive planning or seeking external validation
- Leo shares his experience of leading a retreat in Costa Rica and how he practiced trust in himself during that process
- Encouragement for listeners to ask themselves what they would do if they fully trusted themselves and took action based on that trust
Connect with Leo
Email [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Intro music composition: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Next Episode

S1 Ep10 - Getting Back on Track
Facing setbacks on the path to achieving our goals is part of the process, but how can we get back on track and learn from our challenges?
In this episode, we're diving into the art of returning to our goals when we've faced obstacles. We'll explore the significance of embracing the growth process, the resilience that fuels our progress, and how setbacks can be the catalysts for personal development.
Topics Covered
- The nature of setbacks in the growth process and embracing uncertainty
- Overcoming self-judgment, feelings of inadequacy, and self-compassion
- The impact of our thoughts and narratives on self-trust
- Recognizing and working with emotions that hinder progress
- Strategies for bouncing back after setbacks and the importance of setting smaller goals
- The role of resistance and the ongoing practice of creating effective structures
- The journey of coming back as a learning cycle in personal development
- The power of external accountability and public commitments
- Identifying and learning from challenges and the significance of iterating strategies
Connect with Leo
Email: [email protected]
Resources
Credits
Music composition: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey
Editor: Justin Cruz
Zen Habits Podcast - S1 Bonus - Derek Sivers on the Pursuit of Meaningful Work
Transcript
Zen Habits Podcast Transcript
Season 1, Bonus Episode 3
Leo Babauta [00:00]:
Welcome to the Zen Habits podcast, where we dive into how to work with uncertainty, resistance, and fear around our meaningful work. This is for anyone who wants to create an impact in the world and cares deeply enough to do the work. I'm your host, Leo Babauta, creator of the Zen Habits blog.
My guest on this episode is a friend, Derek Sivers. He is someone who I have followed online. We'v
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