
Student Engagement with Allison Zmuda
10/22/18 • 56 min
Connect with Allison Zmuda
Twitter: @allison_zmuda | Website: allisonzmuda.com, learningpersonalized.com
Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb
Links & Show Notes
- To skip ahead to the interview, go to the 8 minute mark
- Out of Our Heads and Into the Classroom: (01:20)
- Students keeping track of mistakes & analyzing errors: Student Assessment Reflection Template (uncommon schools); from Driven by Data (Santoyo)
- Another example
- A slightly different approach
- Mardi Gras Napkins (3:31)
- Annotating pictures with Markup (5:09)
- Vrain Waves Episode with George Couros
- Allison intro (08:20)
- Allison’s books (08:44)
- Allison on student engagement (learning is a voluntary endeavor) (09:00)
- What is engagement (10:30)
- Chart created with Robyn Jackson (Engaged or Compliant Learner)
- Real Engagement book
- Episode with Elizabeth Green (14:18)
- Constraints of Time (15:28)
- It’s not the topic, it’s the goals; what are you trying to go after?
- Classroom management / student behavior (18:15)
- Habits of Mind (19:16)
- Restorative Justice (20:40)
- Bena Kallick - Personalized Learning & Habits of Mind (21:17)
- Art Costa
- -ing verbs - we are all becoming
- Measuring engagement (23:27)
- Results-Only Learning Environment (26:49)
- 4 Cs of Real Engagement (28:14) Clarity, Context, Challenge, Culture
- Clarity = goal clarity; what are you aiming for? “The teacher is not the customer that the students are trying to make happy.”
- Understanding by Design (29:20)
- Challenge (30:07) Teacher modeling learning
- Allison’s challenge with her stroke (34:15)
- Professional Collaboration (41:05)
- Allison’s favorite examples of engagement (44:43)
- Learningpersonalized.com (47:40)
- “It is, in fact, nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of education have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry...”
- Habits of Mind: Listening with Understanding and Empathy / Thinking Interdependently (51:20)
- Bad advice (52:30) - micromanaging content & skills
- Tools from Allison Zmuda:
- 7 Elements of Personalized Learning
Connect with Allison Zmuda
Twitter: @allison_zmuda | Website: allisonzmuda.com, learningpersonalized.com
Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb
Links & Show Notes
- To skip ahead to the interview, go to the 8 minute mark
- Out of Our Heads and Into the Classroom: (01:20)
- Students keeping track of mistakes & analyzing errors: Student Assessment Reflection Template (uncommon schools); from Driven by Data (Santoyo)
- Another example
- A slightly different approach
- Mardi Gras Napkins (3:31)
- Annotating pictures with Markup (5:09)
- Vrain Waves Episode with George Couros
- Allison intro (08:20)
- Allison’s books (08:44)
- Allison on student engagement (learning is a voluntary endeavor) (09:00)
- What is engagement (10:30)
- Chart created with Robyn Jackson (Engaged or Compliant Learner)
- Real Engagement book
- Episode with Elizabeth Green (14:18)
- Constraints of Time (15:28)
- It’s not the topic, it’s the goals; what are you trying to go after?
- Classroom management / student behavior (18:15)
- Habits of Mind (19:16)
- Restorative Justice (20:40)
- Bena Kallick - Personalized Learning & Habits of Mind (21:17)
- Art Costa
- -ing verbs - we are all becoming
- Measuring engagement (23:27)
- Results-Only Learning Environment (26:49)
- 4 Cs of Real Engagement (28:14) Clarity, Context, Challenge, Culture
- Clarity = goal clarity; what are you aiming for? “The teacher is not the customer that the students are trying to make happy.”
- Understanding by Design (29:20)
- Challenge (30:07) Teacher modeling learning
- Allison’s challenge with her stroke (34:15)
- Professional Collaboration (41:05)
- Allison’s favorite examples of engagement (44:43)
- Learningpersonalized.com (47:40)
- “It is, in fact, nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of education have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry...”
- Habits of Mind: Listening with Understanding and Empathy / Thinking Interdependently (51:20)
- Bad advice (52:30) - micromanaging content & skills
- Tools from Allison Zmuda:
- 7 Elements of Personalized Learning
Previous Episode

Catlin Tucker on Blended Learning
Connect with Catlin Tucker
Twitter: @catlin_tucker | Website: catlintucker.com
Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb
Links & Show Notes
- Out of Our Heads and Into the Classroom:
- Timesaving hack: Ctrl + Cmd + Shift + 4 = copy screenshot to clipboard instead of desktop
- The Box of Awesome
- Metaphorical Fashion - another great one from Intention: Critical Creativity in the Classroom - Design us a t-shirt!!
- Catlin Tucker - Power Up Blended Learning (06:52)
- Catlin’s definition of Blended learning: active, engaged learning in the classroom + active, engaged learning online; + more control over time, place, pace, and path of their learning experience; shift of control from teacher to student
- Catlin’s journey to blended learning (08:40)
- Fear of amount of time taken to move into blended learning (10:26)
- “Everybody is experimenting, taking risks, and learning [in a classroom].” (10:44)
- Students handling the extra work (13:17)
- More challenging to be a student in a student-centered classroom, but the decision-making / agency trade off pays off
- Assessment for learning (15:38)
- Grades as a carrot & carrots don’t work (+ our interview with Daniel Pink)
- Any assessment score can be reassessed in Catlin’s class
- Ongoing self-assessment station (18:04) & more info here
- Her latest book: Power Up Blended Learning
- 10 learning targets per unit (21:34)
- Station Rotations (22:49)
- Working with students during the day (26:18) instead of giving feedback at home at night
- Examples of stations (28:20)
- Hosting Online discussions (31:04)
- Bringing the momentum from online discussions back into the classroom (36:12)
- Schoology online discussions
- Backchannelchat as a replacement for Today’s Meet
- Four Corner Conversations routine (37:25)
- Shifting role of the teacher in the classroom (39:52)
- Students bring the meaning to the activities that she designs / then she is the coach
- Planning horizontally = turn your vertical agenda horizontal and break it into station rotations (41:43) (presentation, video)
- Tucker Time (46:33) = teacher-led station
- Power Up Blended Learning (47:35)
- Sustainable Infrastructure for Professional Learning
- Coaching / modeling / co-teaching / small Professional Learning Communities in buildings
- Catlin’s requests to leaders (55:40)
- Wrap Up (56:32)
Next Episode

Dan Heath on the Power of Moments
Connect with Dan Heath
Website: heathbrothers.com
**Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb
Links & Show Notes
- Dan’s intro to Power of Moments (3:01)
- UPC scanner Bush surprise (4:15)
- Power of Moments in the classroom (5:58)
- Sign up for Heath Brothers Email Newsletter
- Ed examples from Power of Moments (06:49)
- What are peak moments (07:24)
- Community College showcase (08:10)
- What’s it like to be a 7th grader (09:03)
- The call for more peak moments in the classroom (10:48)
- Research on deeper learning (11:25) - not just for fun; reinforce and motivate the learning (Learning Policy Institute, AIR, more from AIR)
- Example of Peak moment: Hillsdale High, San Mateo CA (12:21)
- Susan Bedford (English) / Greg Jouriles (History)
- Trial of Human Nature (Video of Dan telling the story)
- “Beware the soul-sucking force of reasonableness.” (16:43)
- Peak moments are rarely reasonable
- Build peaks, don’t fix potholes (20:14)
- Magic Castle hotel in LA
- (YouTube Video of this story)
- Instinct in our lives that we can improve things by fixing the problems with them (23:04)
- Cool quote about this: “The electric light did not come from the continuous improvement of candles.” - Oren Harari
- In our schools, where do we prioritize efficiency over moments?
- Elevation, Insight, Pride, and Connection
- Flamboyan Foundation example at Stanton Elementary in DC; principal Carlie John Fisherow - Family engagement
- Four questions during home visits:
- Tell me about your child’s experiences in school, and about yours.
- Tell me about your hopes and dreams for your child’s future.
- What do you want your child to be someday?
- What do I need to do to help your child learn more effectively?
- A moment that triggered a change; relationships don’t progress in steady increments; some hours are more important than others
- Curse of Knowledge (33:18)
- Made to Stick is about communication; Power of Moments is about experience
- HBR article from Heath brothers on Curse of Knowledge
- Loudon academy of Science outside of DC - Functions example (37:02)
- First chapter of both books we’ve discussed are free online at heathbrothers.com
- Takeaways (41:33)
- GREAT free resources at heathbrothers.com when you sign up for the newsletter
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