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This Sustainable Life

This Sustainable Life

Joshua Spodek: Author, Speaker, Professor

Do you care about the environment but feel "I want to act but if no one else does it won't make a difference" and "But if you don't solve everything it isn't worth doing anything"?

We are the antidote! You're not alone. Hearing role models overcome the same feelings to enjoy acting on their values creates meaning, purpose, community, and emotional reward.

Want to improve as a leader? Bestselling author, 3-time TEDx speaker, leadership speaker, coach, and professor Joshua Spodek, PhD MBA, brings joy and inspiration to acting on the environment. You'll learn to lead without relying on authority.

We bring you leaders from many areas -- business, politics, sports, arts, education, and more -- to share their expertise for you to learn from. We then ask them to share and act on their environmental values. That's leadership without authority -- so they act for their reasons, not out of guilt, blame, doom, gloom, or someone telling them what to do.

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Guests include

  • Dan Pink, 40+ million Ted talk views
  • Marshall Goldsmith, #1 ranked leadership guru and author
  • Frances Hesselbein, Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree, former CEO of the Girl Scouts
  • Elizabeth Kolbert, Pulitzer Prize winning author
  • David Allen, author of Getting Things Done
  • Ken Blanchard, author, The One Minute Manager
  • Vincent Stanley, Director of Patagonia
  • Dorie Clark, bestselling author
  • Bryan Braman, Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagle
  • John Lee Dumas, top entrepreneurial podcaster
  • Alisa Cohn, top 100 speaker and coach
  • David Biello, Science curator for TED


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This Sustainable Life - 409: Kevin Cahill, part 2: Systems change, fast and effective
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11/14/20 • 56 min

Everyone gets we have to change system, which means global economy. They think we have to start huge. If it's not big enough, it's not worth doing.

History suggests otherwise, in particular Edwards Deming's results transforming Japan in the 50s, or the U.S. war efforts before that, or several American companies since.

Kevin runs the Deming Institute, which trains people in the Deming philosophy and practice. Kevin speaks from experience as the grandson of Dr. Deming. They didn't start by doing big huge things. They started with a systemic perspective, understanding where and how to act. Kevin's personal project of changing light bulbs in his house illustrates how leading this way leads to results beyond what we see with just going big from the start.

I won't like that I often felt slack-jawed at Kevin saying exactly what I've tried to share with others but they never get, but Kevin speaks with decades of experience. Actually generations. I also can't wait to start working with leaders and people in organizations who have approached and solved problems systemically, and who saw that they had to change industries and a nation for their personal benefit.

What we need to to to reverse our environmental course!

Call me crazy, but I see combining my sustainability experience and perspective with Deming company and leadership experience getting results like Japan did in the 50s and beyond.

If Japan Can Why Can't We? is the name of the show that restarted Deming's influence in the US. I see the question as poignant today. I believe we can turn around as fast as they did, this time on sustainability.

Let's do this.



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This Sustainable Life - 407: Eric Metaxas: William Wilberforce, Amazing Grace
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11/12/20 • 35 min

A few months ago I hadn't heard the names William Wilberforce or Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Now they rank among my greatest influences. Eric Metaxas's biographies of these two men were among the main reasons. Once I read them, I had to meet Eric and bring his view here.

Read the books, learn about the men, what they did, and the environments in which they did it.

Few who spend time with me would expect me to find inspiration from a man whom I heard describe himself as a "Jesus freak" or strongly promote President Trump, whose policies I haven't seen increasing Earth's ability to sustain life and society, but those who know me well know my intense curiosity for people with unfamiliar views. Those who know me very well will find deep values of mine that resonate with Eric's beyond taking inspiration from Wilberforce and Bonhoeffer.

I recorded a longer introduction than usual to recount my discovering Eric's work so you can hear more background there. Recording shortly before the election limited our recording time, meaning we covered only a fraction of what we could have. I hope this episode was the first of many.



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This Sustainable Life - 406: J. B. MacKinnon, part 1: The Once and Future World
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11/11/20 • 43 min

J. B. MacKinnon's book The Once and Future World influenced my view of nature as much as anyone's. I thought I knew what nature was, what we were trying to conserve or preserve, but I wasn't even close. I found his writing gripping and colorful. I'll link to a couple recordings I made that quoted the book at length.

We've been talking about our work, his new book he's nearly finished, my book I've just started, and how he was thinking of acting on his

research personally.

He was sharing so personally about the challenge he was considering for himself, impromptu, I asked if he would consider recording a podcast episode. We just jumped into it. Here's both of us unrehearsed, unprepared.

I loved getting to learn the backgrounds of wildlife, Hawaii, all the things I read from Once and Future World, and how and why he found

out about them. I hope you're all also on your path to discover variety in food, clothing, community, and so on that our culture obscures and makes us feel backward about.

Partly I'm impressed with myself at remembering those parts of his book unaided, but really that recall illustrates the power of the book and sadly what we've done to our world. But hopefully what we can restore. I'm always impressed with how fast nature rewilds when we take our foot off the gas. And how much we enjoy the surprising discovery of simple, sustainable living.



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From a leadership standpoint, acting on sustainability and the pandemic overlap.

You probably see Ashish's name everywhere too. He's in the thick of it at the highest national level. He shares an inside view of the political happenings on responding to the pandemic. He also shares the emotional experience---the frustration at seeing people dying unnecessarily. I think you can tell that despite the numbers, he cares. You may hear me realized I spoke too glibly in stating the number of American depths.

Most of our conversation covered the leadership vacuum responding to the pandemic as well as the environment in general. I believe you'll hear we're moving toward talking leadership strategy, the emotional challenge of leadership, and finding what works besides management.

We cover

  • Avoiding political polarization and engaging leadership from other areas than politics seem challenging.
  • What opportunities exist for voices to get out there, either on the pandemic or the environment?
  • How have we abdicated or lost our alternatives to lead to Washington DC or state or local government?

I don't just mean exercising authority. Leadership doesn't require authority. We can lead in other ways than political representation.

Ashish talked about debate. I've come to equate debate with provoking argument, as I alluded to. Instead, what stories can we tell? What images can we evoke? Is there a way to reach people to hear views they aren't in a way they'll appreciate after?

This is the challenge. I focus on it in the context of sustainability. It applies equally in the pandemic response.



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This Sustainable Life - 402: Faith

402: Faith

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11/03/20 • 6 min

Why do I act on sustainability when everyone around me says there's no point?

Faith.

This episode shares a few words about faith. If you lack it, I think you'll prefer living with it, especially about things you care about.



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This Sustainable Life - 401: Defund the police? A proposal.
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10/30/20 • 4 min

We've seen suggestions to defund the police. Many on the left consider it an obvious step. Many on the right think it's loony and will lead to society falling apart.

I propose a way forward, building on my civilian service academy idea from a past episode, putting responsibility to act first on those proposing the idea. It would be hard, but if people seriously believe other agencies can do some things better than police, they can show it.

EDIT: I found a story of people doing what I described. They found a place where non-police responses work more effectively than police and are implementing it. Here's the story: The Cycle of Punitive Justice Starts in Schools. Eric Butler Is Showing Kids and Teachers How to Break It. Teaching restorative justice, one hallway fight at a time.



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Mark Tercek stands tall in environmental action. He was president and CEO of The Nature Conservancy for 11 years.

From Wikipedia: "Founded in 1951, The Nature Conservancy has over one million members, and has protected more than 119,000,000 acres of land and thousands of miles of rivers worldwide. The largest environmental nonprofit by assets and revenue in the Americas, The Nature Conservancy ranks as one of the most trusted national organizations in Harris Interactive polls every year since 2005. Forbes magazine rated The Nature Conservancy's fundraising efficiency at 88 percent in its 2005 survey of the largest U.S. charities. The Conservancy received a three-star rating from Charity Navigator in 2016 (three-star in 2015)."

Before then he was a partner at Goldman Sachs. Curious how someone goes from investment banking with Hank Paulson to the Nature Conservancy? He describes that calling.

We also enjoy that we both are reaching new audiences---I share about Magamedia and he about talking about global warming in Alabama.

As much as the content he shared, I loved his emotion of, as I read it, enthusiasm and expectation of success, knowing the challenges and

the likelihood of catastrophe, whatever progress he makes.



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This Sustainable Life - 389: Why environmentalists can be so annoying
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09/29/20 • 5 min

I speculate why environmentalists can be so annoying sometimes and why you'd still like to become like them, just not the annoying part.

This episode will help you.



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This Sustainable Life - 387: Maja Rosén: Leading not flying
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09/21/20 • 88 min

The not-flying-by-choice community is fairly small. About 80 percent of humans can't fly because they can't, but among people who can but choose not to, we're limited. Still, I can't believe I only found out about Maja recently. A few minutes into her TEDx talk, I knew I had to bring her on.

She's avoided flying about double how long I have. I could hear from her every sentence that she's had to face all the addiction speaking of people claiming what I did before I challenged myself to go that first year without flying---"I can't avoid it," "the plane was going to fly

anyway," and all that.

You know the feeling of understanding and support you get when you talk with someone who has shared a rare experience, nearly universally misunderstood? More than personal understanding, she revealed a situation I dreamed of and intellectually knew would happen, but hadn't heard of.

For ten years people in Sweden said what everyone here says about not flying being impossible and all that addiction speaking. Then in the past few years it changed. The logic behind not flying didn't change. The pandemic hadn't hit. Their values didn't change. People talk about how Sweden's culture differs, but this change happened within Sweden, not between Sweden and some other place.

She said that when they crossed a threshold of people who considered not flying, people started changing, I believe because their neighbors did. She described how a couple editorials from Swedish celebrities choosing to avoid flying influenced a lot. It sounded like my strategy for this podcast. I'm trying to reach a critical mass of people, focusing on influential people, to where people know someone who has acted.

I can't tell you how much our conversation warmed my heart for feeling understood on something I value and for which I felt vulnerable and enthusiastic for seeing a light at the end of a tunnel I've been in now in my fifth year. I can't wait for when culture changes and people treat flying like a rare occasion.

I was there. I looked the other way to avoid facing my pollution. There's a way out. We can shake the addiction. The main way out is spending more time with family and your community, gaining more control over your career. It feels impossible. When people around us change, we change. When we change first and others follow, that's leadership. You can help lead us out of this mess.



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This Sustainable Life - 412: George Chmiel, part 2: Teamwork from garbage
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11/22/20 • 35 min

"You heard it here first." We start by reviewing George's experience picking up garbage with a team he organized. We started creating a project.

It spontaneously arose, but I see a chance that we'll make it happen. Maybe soon, maybe it will take time. Maybe it will go nationwide. Maybe it will fall apart. Maybe it will change culture. Maybe future generations will look back at these changes as what sparked the turning point. George's gym, Spartan, Litterati, SoulBuffalo, Generation 180, Living Lands and Waters, The Story of Stuff, . . . there are a lot of organizations that want to act who are part of this growing community.

I want to contrast George's motivation from your typical gym's or most organizations'. Most gyms work you now for a later payoff. For George, the future benefit is nice, but it's a side effect. The effort itself is rewarding. We heard it with Joe DeSena and Spartan. You hear it from me with my sidchas.

Listen to the conversation. If interested in participating or contributing, let me know, especially if you like organizing or you know sponsors.



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The podcast is about Purpose, Action, Society & Culture, Leadership, Environment, Nature, Podcasts, Science and Ted Talk.

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The episode title '412: George Chmiel, part 2: Teamwork from garbage' is the most popular.

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