
Andrew Sunderland wants you to be a Craftsman
12/15/19 • 36 min
In this episode I'm chatting with Andrew Sunderland, an Engineering Manager at Ritual.co in Toronto, Canada.
Andrew and I talk about Software Craftsmanship, what that means, how it can be achieved, and what exactly does it give us. We discuss the importance of tests and testable code and how this affects handling legacy code. Andrew mentions that for successful legacy code refactoring, engineers should really read Working Effectively With Legacy Code by Michael Feathers.
We talk about the necessity for continuing to learn and to maintain pace with the speed of change in the Technology sector. We discuss engineering creativity and why engineering companies provide facilities like pool tables and games rooms. We chat about team morale building and how much that should be dependent on a manager or should that be coming from the team itself.
We also find out exactly what Andrew is looking for when hiring team members and touch on how important soft skills are in the engineering world.
Being an Uncle Bob fan, Andrew gives us a recommendation for his latest book release Clean Agile.
I hope you enjoy the show and Happy Christmas!!
In this episode I'm chatting with Andrew Sunderland, an Engineering Manager at Ritual.co in Toronto, Canada.
Andrew and I talk about Software Craftsmanship, what that means, how it can be achieved, and what exactly does it give us. We discuss the importance of tests and testable code and how this affects handling legacy code. Andrew mentions that for successful legacy code refactoring, engineers should really read Working Effectively With Legacy Code by Michael Feathers.
We talk about the necessity for continuing to learn and to maintain pace with the speed of change in the Technology sector. We discuss engineering creativity and why engineering companies provide facilities like pool tables and games rooms. We chat about team morale building and how much that should be dependent on a manager or should that be coming from the team itself.
We also find out exactly what Andrew is looking for when hiring team members and touch on how important soft skills are in the engineering world.
Being an Uncle Bob fan, Andrew gives us a recommendation for his latest book release Clean Agile.
I hope you enjoy the show and Happy Christmas!!
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