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The Refined Collective Podcast - Part I: Is Masturbation A Sin?

Part I: Is Masturbation A Sin?

07/08/20 • 40 min

The Refined Collective Podcast

Today is Part 1 of a conversation I have been avoiding having with you guys in a solo show. I’ve been afraid of getting it wrong, and afraid of someone taking a sound bite out of context. But I don’t want fear to keep me from this dialogue. There’s also a reason I talk about masturbation in a workshop setting, in my online courses and with one on one coaching clients. It’s a nuanced conversation with a lot of grey areas which are harder to teach to the masses. However, I don’t think this information needs to solely go to people who have the budget for it. So today, I am diving right into Part I of a two part series on masturbation.

Here’s what I won’t do:

  • Tell you what to do.
  • Give you a script to regurgitate to yourself and others to justify any of your actions.
  • Shame or judge you for your past or your current decisions.
  • Try to fix you or convince you of anything.

What I hope to do:

  • Point you to Jesus, to Scripture, and to nuance.
  • Normalize a healthy conversation around sex, sexuality, desire, and yes— masturbation

o The word alone can feel shame inducing, right? How many times do you say ‘masturbation’ out loud on a regular basis?

o God is not ashamed of our sexual desire and sexuality—he created it (Genesis 1: 26-31).

  • Give you tools to equip you to navigate your faith, values, and a dialogue around masturbation.
  • Don’t take my word for it—I’m not God. This is where I am at after close to 7 years of researching, praying, doubting, trial and error, and tough conversations.
  • God created you with a mind—use it!

Finally, it’s ok if we don’t see eye to eye—we can still love, respect, and honor one another even if we come to different conclusions.

My Personal Story:

Before we move forward with vision and walk out today with clarity, we have to be willing to look backwards: how, why, and through what means did we get here?

· Home: ‘It’s okay to masturbate.’

· School: Silence.

· Friends: Silence, masked conversations, and shame.

· Culture: ‘Do what feels good.’

· Church: All wrong, all the time, shut down your desire until marriage—only guys struggle with sexual desire.

4 Questions to Ask Yourself

· What do you currently believe about masturbation and why?

· What were you taught about masturbation at home, school, from friends, culture, and church?

· Where and how were those beliefs formed?

· Are those sexual scripts/beliefs rooted in fear or freedom?

· Identify the shame agenda + the Jesus agenda.

The Big ‘O’: The Power of the Orgasm

· When we orgasm, dopamine and oxytocin are released in a surge in our bodies.

o Dopamine is a neurotransmitter released from the reward center part of our brain associated with pleasure.

o Oxytocin is a feel-good hormone. One of its sole purposes is to create deep bonds between people. This is like “soul ties.”

The Harem Within: C.S. Lewis

“For me the real evil of masturbation would be that it takes an appetite which, in lawful use, leads the individual out of himself...and turns it back: sends the man back into the prison of himself, there to keep a harem of imaginary brides. And this harem, once admitted, works against his ever getting out and really uniting with a real woman. For the harem is always accessible, always subservient, calls for no sacrifices or adjustments, and can be endowed with erotic and psychological attractions which no real woman can rival. Among those shadowy brides he is always adored, always the perfect lover: no demand is made on his unselfishness, no mortification ever imposed on his vanity. In the end, they become merely the medium through which he increasingly adores himself . . . .After all, almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little, dark prison we are all born in. Masturbation is to be avoided as all things are to be avoided which retard this process. The danger is that of coming to love the prison”[1]

1. My pleasure is #1 priority

· Ephesians 5: Respect our husbands and husbands to serve their wives like Christ served the church.

· Our sexual experiences with our spouses should be outward focused, let’s serve each other—not ‘I’m feeling turned on, get me off, and then roll over.’

2. Ends on self

· Sexuality = desire for ‘o’ others.

· Gets us outside of our heads and into relationship and community with others.

3. No iron sharpens iron here folks

· Conflict resolution.

· Mirrors of each other.

· Constant growth.

· “Brides always adored” or “yes men.”

4. FANTASY LAND: Loving the prison more than real life

· I don’t want to get so good at getting myself off that I don’t need another person.

· 91% of millennials m...

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Today is Part 1 of a conversation I have been avoiding having with you guys in a solo show. I’ve been afraid of getting it wrong, and afraid of someone taking a sound bite out of context. But I don’t want fear to keep me from this dialogue. There’s also a reason I talk about masturbation in a workshop setting, in my online courses and with one on one coaching clients. It’s a nuanced conversation with a lot of grey areas which are harder to teach to the masses. However, I don’t think this information needs to solely go to people who have the budget for it. So today, I am diving right into Part I of a two part series on masturbation.

Here’s what I won’t do:

  • Tell you what to do.
  • Give you a script to regurgitate to yourself and others to justify any of your actions.
  • Shame or judge you for your past or your current decisions.
  • Try to fix you or convince you of anything.

What I hope to do:

  • Point you to Jesus, to Scripture, and to nuance.
  • Normalize a healthy conversation around sex, sexuality, desire, and yes— masturbation

o The word alone can feel shame inducing, right? How many times do you say ‘masturbation’ out loud on a regular basis?

o God is not ashamed of our sexual desire and sexuality—he created it (Genesis 1: 26-31).

  • Give you tools to equip you to navigate your faith, values, and a dialogue around masturbation.
  • Don’t take my word for it—I’m not God. This is where I am at after close to 7 years of researching, praying, doubting, trial and error, and tough conversations.
  • God created you with a mind—use it!

Finally, it’s ok if we don’t see eye to eye—we can still love, respect, and honor one another even if we come to different conclusions.

My Personal Story:

Before we move forward with vision and walk out today with clarity, we have to be willing to look backwards: how, why, and through what means did we get here?

· Home: ‘It’s okay to masturbate.’

· School: Silence.

· Friends: Silence, masked conversations, and shame.

· Culture: ‘Do what feels good.’

· Church: All wrong, all the time, shut down your desire until marriage—only guys struggle with sexual desire.

4 Questions to Ask Yourself

· What do you currently believe about masturbation and why?

· What were you taught about masturbation at home, school, from friends, culture, and church?

· Where and how were those beliefs formed?

· Are those sexual scripts/beliefs rooted in fear or freedom?

· Identify the shame agenda + the Jesus agenda.

The Big ‘O’: The Power of the Orgasm

· When we orgasm, dopamine and oxytocin are released in a surge in our bodies.

o Dopamine is a neurotransmitter released from the reward center part of our brain associated with pleasure.

o Oxytocin is a feel-good hormone. One of its sole purposes is to create deep bonds between people. This is like “soul ties.”

The Harem Within: C.S. Lewis

“For me the real evil of masturbation would be that it takes an appetite which, in lawful use, leads the individual out of himself...and turns it back: sends the man back into the prison of himself, there to keep a harem of imaginary brides. And this harem, once admitted, works against his ever getting out and really uniting with a real woman. For the harem is always accessible, always subservient, calls for no sacrifices or adjustments, and can be endowed with erotic and psychological attractions which no real woman can rival. Among those shadowy brides he is always adored, always the perfect lover: no demand is made on his unselfishness, no mortification ever imposed on his vanity. In the end, they become merely the medium through which he increasingly adores himself . . . .After all, almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little, dark prison we are all born in. Masturbation is to be avoided as all things are to be avoided which retard this process. The danger is that of coming to love the prison”[1]

1. My pleasure is #1 priority

· Ephesians 5: Respect our husbands and husbands to serve their wives like Christ served the church.

· Our sexual experiences with our spouses should be outward focused, let’s serve each other—not ‘I’m feeling turned on, get me off, and then roll over.’

2. Ends on self

· Sexuality = desire for ‘o’ others.

· Gets us outside of our heads and into relationship and community with others.

3. No iron sharpens iron here folks

· Conflict resolution.

· Mirrors of each other.

· Constant growth.

· “Brides always adored” or “yes men.”

4. FANTASY LAND: Loving the prison more than real life

· I don’t want to get so good at getting myself off that I don’t need another person.

· 91% of millennials m...

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Breaking the Cycle of Sexual Exploitation: a Story of Restoration

Victim of sexual exploitation turned UCLA honor student, Harmony Grillo founded the non-profit Treasures in 2003 to help women and girls entrenched in sexual exploitation find freedom. She has provided training for the Department of Justice and the FBI and has helped launch outreaches in 120 cities worldwide. She shares her story in her memoir, Scars and Stilettos. This week on the podcast, we chat about how God has redeemed dreams in her life, how she learned to acknowledge the trauma bonds in her life and find freedom from sexual exploitation, and now help others find that same freedom.

Redeeming the Dream

  • Harmony shares some moments, big and small, where her dreams didn’t play out the way she wanted them to. God redeemed the dream every time.
  • “I’m living God’s promise of restoration.”

Trauma Bonds

  • Harmony’s history is full of abuse and trauma.
  • Later in her childhood, an older guy friend who she thought of as a protector became her abuser and exploiter when she worked in strip clubs.
  • Trauma bonds involve a power imbalance where there is erratic abuse and there are scattered times of good.

Freedom From Sexual Exploitation

  • She fondly remembers a girl she met at the time who loved her as she was and helped her on her journey to freedom.
  • “I didn’t start making those changes because someone told me that I should, I did it because it’s what I desired and what I felt like I was being invited to do as I walked out my path of growing in relationship with Him.”
  • She reflects on this time and realizes that she wouldn’t have had the same transformation she did if she was simply given a strict set of rules to follow.

Treasures

  • Treasures is Harmony’s faith-based organization, though it welcomes all religions. They meet everyone where they’re at and respect who they are as they are.
  • “What are we being invited into?”
  • “Sometimes the most therapeutic thing is a healthy, reciprocal relationship where you feel emotionally safe.”

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undefined - Part II: Is Masturbation A Sin?

Part II: Is Masturbation A Sin?

Today is part TWO of a conversation on masturbation on the podcast. If you missed part one, check it out here before you listen to this episode. This week, I’ll be walking through what the Bible says about masturbation and if it is really a sin.

Is Masturbation A Sin?

Brokenness is the beginning of the gospel—David Kim.

  • My honest answer is: yes, no, maybe.

o Is it possible to touch myself and explore my body and experience pleasure and stay connected to myself, God, and others? I think so.

  • All the way from Genesis to Revelation there’s this rhythm we see of death to life, brokenness to restoration, renewal and redemption.[1]Clearly there is some real brokenness with masturbation, but if Jesus came to make all things new, is it possible that He could have a redemptive vision for this too[2]
  • 1 Corinthians 6:12-13; 10:23

o Paul says it twice: Everything is lawful, but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial.

How Can Masturbation Be A Win?

  1. Pleasure
  • God is for our pleasure. How do I know? Taste buds, sunsets, brownie sundaes, and the only purpose of the clitoris is pleasure.
  1. Practice Healthy Consent
  • Consent in sexual encounters whether it’s a hug or sex is VITAL. But if we don’t know what we want or what feels good we won’t have the tools to communicate our wants and needs.
  • Masturbation can be a way to:

o Know your body.

o Know what feels good and doesn’t feel good.

o And have the ability to communicate that.

  1. Mutual Honor and Acceptance
  • We put on other people a tenth of what we put on ourselves. If I judge, shame, dismiss my sexual desire and in essence don’t accept it, how can I accept my partner’s?
  1. Connection and Innocence
  • To God:

o Mark 12:29-30— love God with all of you.

  • To self and others:

o Matthew 18:3— be like little children.

o If little children can masturbate in innocence, can we not get back to that as well?

  1. Practice Being Present: Sensuality
  • Dr. Celeste Holbrook, the Christian sexologist, describes sensuality beautifully: it’s the act of being present. She talks about how toddlers are the most sensual beings because they’re in a constant state of discovery.
  • Porn and masturbation are not mutually exclusive.
  • Removes fear and shame around body, self, and sexual desire.

Questions to Ask Yourself

  1. Am I addicted to porn?
  • I am not here to shame you if this is your story.
  • Masturbation for a person addicted to porn would be like a drunk living at a bar. Not a win for you right now.
  • Phylicia Masonheimer has some amazing resources for you around this topic.
  • Sexuality can be activated by abuse. If that is your story, I am so sorry and remember that it is never your fault. Your sexuality is not tainted and you have permission to work through this.
  1. Why am I feeling turned on right now?
  • 50 Shades of Grey, porn, or a normal Wednesday afternoon?
  1. What am I really looking for in this moment?
  • Connection?
  • Intimacy?
  • Release?
  1. How can I honor myself, God, and my future in this moment?
  • Really take the time to answer this question for yourself.
  1. If shame weren’t a part of the conversation, how would I show up?
  • Shame and fear is not the heart of God— Ephesians 3— rooted and grounded in love. Jesus came for the abundant life— not a spirit of fear, but of power!
  • Is it possible to masturbate and stay present and not fantasize?
  • Is it possible to remain in healthy community with myself, God and others and masturbate?
  • Is it possible to experience self-pleasure and remain outward focused? Yes!
  • Grace Alone: In every other area of our lives we’re willing to fumble, but sexually we’re so terrified. It’s like 1-strike you’re out and sent to the pit of hell. No!
  • Just because some people may become alcoholics, doesn’t mean everyone will.
  1. Who am I becoming? (Jon Tyson)
  • What are the actions, words, choices of your life propelling you towards?
  • When to discern if this is problematic behavior?

o Porn/erotica.

o Isolation.

o Keeping you from relationship.

o Distraction from everyday activities.

o Can’t work, go out, or sleep without it— like any addiction.

o Fantasy land vs. real life.

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