
2 Actionable Podcast Brand Experience Tips
10/18/21 • 19 min
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There's an old adage that every entrepreneur claims that they coined but that Jeff Bezos, he of space, is widely credited as saying first:
"Your brand is what people say about you when you're not in the room."
What do people say about your podcast when you're not in the room? What do they tell friends about your podcast and how, if you aren't in that proverbial room, can you have any influence over what they say?
By creating an experience.
Brand, at its core, is just that: the promise of an experience that becomes synonymous with a company, person, product, service or place.
Or a piece of media. Just like your podcast.
As podcasters, we become focussed consistently on our content. And rightly so: without great content we have nothing. But too often we create superb content and assume that's enough and that because we have put blood, sweat and tears into that content, people should come listen and if they don't, it's them that's the problem.
The hard truth, though, is that there's so much great content in the world right now that people can choose from and for us to shine and become the choice of content for our prospects, they have to know about us and feel like they're a part of what we do.
That can sound really odd to a podcaster like you or me because we know our content is great and we know that we don't have lots of time to put into anything else except our content. But in order to thrive as a podcaster, you have to focus on experience.
Consider any of your favourite movie, TV or literary franchises. They always have apathetic and passionate sides to their fandom.
Many people consume content that they love yet don't feel strongly enough about that "world" to vocalise their opinions but some, like the Star Wars or MCU fanbases, are often vocal about their love or hate of a certain decision, storyline, character or product delivered by their beloved franchises.
That passion is borne from brand: the promise of an experience and that passion overspills into noise which, in turn, attracts new fans or activates less vocal fans in becoming vocal.
Once a brand reaches that level, it unlocks new "powers". Advocacy becomes natural and word-of-mouth becomes a huge factor in new people discovering what that brand has to offer.
The more a brand delivers on its experiential promise, the more that flywheel spins and the bigger the brand grows.
You see it often in the startup world where, suddenly, a new app or platform springs into the mass market from seemingly nowhere but actually, that platform has gone through the early adopter phase (where it ironed out its brand and product/market fit) through to the curious user stage (where more curious users buy-in, but don't identify as early adopters) and beyond to the establishment and scaling stages (which is where many of us first discover a new brand).
Could we do the same for our podcast?
Could we, over time, devise and refine a brand promise that targets our niche audience so specifically that we build advocacy and growth through simply doing what we promised to do?
Of course!
But producing content isn't enough. We have to be focussed on our brand but perhaps even more keenly, focussed on the experience that we want our brand to deliver for the long term.
What do we want people to say about our brand when we aren't in the room?
The challenge with brand-building is that you have to be so personally aligned to your brand that living it and embodying it doesn't feel forced - it has to feel natural and certainly not like a "job".
A great example of this is how we run Captivate, our podcast hosting and growth platform.
Our brand experience is designed to be one that educates, supports and innovates and leads for our podcasters in a really inclusive way. If you look at the reviews that Captivate has or the reasons that people sign up to host their podcast with us, those values are reflected in the comments that we receive.
Why?
Because those tenets of our brand are ingrained in our personalities, too. They aren't hard to maintain because we built the business around what we personally believe and give ourselves the permission to be frank and honest with our podcasters.
The experience of talking to me is the same type of experience that you'll have when engaging with Captivate, the brand and the product.
The beauty is, we can scale that nicely because we don't have to work at it. We follow our intuition and listen to our podcasters and, as long as we always overlay that belief system, the brand experience that podcasters have with Captivate will always be the same.
What that means to our advocates is simple: if they rec...
There's an old adage that every entrepreneur claims that they coined but that Jeff Bezos, he of space, is widely credited as saying first:
"Your brand is what people say about you when you're not in the room."
What do people say about your podcast when you're not in the room? What do they tell friends about your podcast and how, if you aren't in that proverbial room, can you have any influence over what they say?
By creating an experience.
Brand, at its core, is just that: the promise of an experience that becomes synonymous with a company, person, product, service or place.
Or a piece of media. Just like your podcast.
As podcasters, we become focussed consistently on our content. And rightly so: without great content we have nothing. But too often we create superb content and assume that's enough and that because we have put blood, sweat and tears into that content, people should come listen and if they don't, it's them that's the problem.
The hard truth, though, is that there's so much great content in the world right now that people can choose from and for us to shine and become the choice of content for our prospects, they have to know about us and feel like they're a part of what we do.
That can sound really odd to a podcaster like you or me because we know our content is great and we know that we don't have lots of time to put into anything else except our content. But in order to thrive as a podcaster, you have to focus on experience.
Consider any of your favourite movie, TV or literary franchises. They always have apathetic and passionate sides to their fandom.
Many people consume content that they love yet don't feel strongly enough about that "world" to vocalise their opinions but some, like the Star Wars or MCU fanbases, are often vocal about their love or hate of a certain decision, storyline, character or product delivered by their beloved franchises.
That passion is borne from brand: the promise of an experience and that passion overspills into noise which, in turn, attracts new fans or activates less vocal fans in becoming vocal.
Once a brand reaches that level, it unlocks new "powers". Advocacy becomes natural and word-of-mouth becomes a huge factor in new people discovering what that brand has to offer.
The more a brand delivers on its experiential promise, the more that flywheel spins and the bigger the brand grows.
You see it often in the startup world where, suddenly, a new app or platform springs into the mass market from seemingly nowhere but actually, that platform has gone through the early adopter phase (where it ironed out its brand and product/market fit) through to the curious user stage (where more curious users buy-in, but don't identify as early adopters) and beyond to the establishment and scaling stages (which is where many of us first discover a new brand).
Could we do the same for our podcast?
Could we, over time, devise and refine a brand promise that targets our niche audience so specifically that we build advocacy and growth through simply doing what we promised to do?
Of course!
But producing content isn't enough. We have to be focussed on our brand but perhaps even more keenly, focussed on the experience that we want our brand to deliver for the long term.
What do we want people to say about our brand when we aren't in the room?
The challenge with brand-building is that you have to be so personally aligned to your brand that living it and embodying it doesn't feel forced - it has to feel natural and certainly not like a "job".
A great example of this is how we run Captivate, our podcast hosting and growth platform.
Our brand experience is designed to be one that educates, supports and innovates and leads for our podcasters in a really inclusive way. If you look at the reviews that Captivate has or the reasons that people sign up to host their podcast with us, those values are reflected in the comments that we receive.
Why?
Because those tenets of our brand are ingrained in our personalities, too. They aren't hard to maintain because we built the business around what we personally believe and give ourselves the permission to be frank and honest with our podcasters.
The experience of talking to me is the same type of experience that you'll have when engaging with Captivate, the brand and the product.
The beauty is, we can scale that nicely because we don't have to work at it. We follow our intuition and listen to our podcasters and, as long as we always overlay that belief system, the brand experience that podcasters have with Captivate will always be the same.
What that means to our advocates is simple: if they rec...
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Effective vs Efficient Podcasting
I owe you an apology. Last week I didn't get my usual Monday content out because we had a crazy week with two Captivate mega feature releases. My bad, I thought I had time to get it done but Monday got away from me and it's my fault - I'm sorry.
But, here I am this week!
Last time, I talked to you about how to cope with podcasting overwhelm and gave you a rule of thumb to start implementing right away. It works, it really does (and not just for your podcast, for most 'work' things).
Today, I'm going to talk about "effective versus efficient podcasting" and give you a system to use to make sure that you're being effective, not just efficient.
These two concepts come from a book I wrote in 2014 (wow) called The Essential 14-Day Guide to Cutting Your Working Hours and Increasing Your Impact - it's a free book, no email address required and you can get it instantly from here.
I'd suggest that you go and download that book (I promise you, I don't ask for an email address or anything, the link is to a direct PDF that you can keep).
Ordinarily, I'd write a really long piece today to talk to you about this concept of "Effective vs Efficient Podcasting" but it's all in that book.
In particular, I lay out a system that I call "The Triple I" principle which is a method that I still use to this day to make sure I'm doing the right thing at the right time.
As a podcaster, it's really easy to just do things and to feel really busy (sometimes that feels great, sometimes it feels awful) and if we aren't careful, a year passes us by with no real progress because we're busy with the wrong thing.
"The Triple I Principle" will give you a sense of why you're busy and what you're spending your time on whilst also giving you a framework to improve your own efficacy within your podcast.
Download it now for free (no email, I promise) and on today's podcast episode I'll talk about how it's helped me & how I continue to use it for my podcasting endeavours.
Your next steps
I teach podcasting a lot, and usually for free. So, here's what I'd recommend you do next:
- Watch my free podcasting tutorials on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/captivatepodcasting
- Learn how to launch your own podcast the right way, for free (plus a comprehensive download-and-keep crib sheet): https://www.podcastsuccessacademy.com
- Ask me anything at all about podcasting over on Twitter: Mark.Live/Twitter
P.S. you can start engaging with your listeners using AWeber. It's free, no credit card required: Mark.Live/Email
Mentioned in this episode:
Straight-talking podcast growth tutorials for the busy podcaster
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Scared to Experiment with Your Podcast?
You'd be forgiven for thinking I've been lazy over the last month.
My podcast publishing has been slower than usual - dropping from once per week to once every two weeks - but, it hasn't been due to laziness. It's been due to experimentation. Honestly. Promise.
But why?
A few weeks ago I had a planned week off from publishing. I had a family holiday booked and, as usual, I let my audience know not to expect an episode of The Podcast Accelerator that week.
Logging back into my Captivate account on my return, I spotted something interesting: the last few episodes that I'd published had seen accelerated downloads while I was away.
I dug into this using Captivate's Performance Comparison analytics graph and what was happening was that my previous few episodes were receiving steadily increased traffic over a more sustained period of time.
I.e. new people discovering my podcast were downloading the more recent episodes rather than just digesting the new episode that I'd have put out on the Monday that I was away.
So, I figured that I'd test that out a little: over the course of the next six weeks, I released three episodes instead of the usual six.
To my surprise, the trend continued!
Each of those three episodes received 25% more downloads within the first 28 days than the episodes that I published weekly.
Why?
I'm doing more testing on this but I believe it's purely because new listeners are discovering my show, downloading the back catalog a little more and enjoying them rather than hopping on the latest episode and leaving.
What's curious about this, too, is that I didn't do any more marketing on these episodes. Honestly, not a bean. Nothing extra.
I purposely left it alone so as to not distort the results: a weekly show gets a weekly episode promotional cycle, so to spend two weeks promoting one episode would have grossly skewed the results, with each episode receiving twice the amount of promotion.
But as I said, I didn't do that - I just did my usual email (like this) and a few little Tweets.
The numbers still went up on an episode-by-episode basis.
Why is this interesting?
Well, so many podcasters focus on the number of monthly downloads as a measure of success, but that's the wrong number, in my view.
Sure, it's a nice big number that makes us all feel great about our show but it's not really a measure of our audience, it's a measure of the activity across all of our catalog.
That's why sponsors look at the number of downloads that an episode receives within 28-days of its release: that is a better indicator of the number of people listening to your show and a better indicator of your audience size.
During this experiment, my monthly numbers dropped (because my audience wasn't receiving 6 new episodes during the period and so, my show didn't get the usual weekly spike) but my real audience size seemed to increase which, of course, is a much better success metric than those total monthly downloads.
Would I have had the same audience growth without running this experiment?
Honestly, I don't know - maybe. After all, the number of new people coming to the show during any given period doesn't seem to correlate to the frequency of episode releases but having said that, I can't prove that it doesn't correlate, either.
I'm doing more testing on this so maybe I'll publish weekly, maybe I'll have a few weeks where I stagger it - I'm working on it, it's a live experiment.
I want you to take this away from today: don't be afraid to mix things up with your podcast. Some of the best marketing results in anything come from the unexpected and spotting something unexpected is a skill unto itself.
If you see something in your analytics or if you have something that you'd like to try, do it. Be bold and experiment with your podcast because, to paraphrase our friend Albert Einstein, you won't get any different results by always doing things the same way.
Remember to tell your audience what you're planning, too. They're your main concern when it comes to your podcast because, without them, you're talking into the ether. So, treat them with respect but understand, too, that the real fans will be there no matter what - they give you the permission to try things and to be creative with your experiments.
What will you try first?
Mentioned in this episode:
Straight-talking podcast growth tutorials for the busy podcaster
Every week I send out 1,000-2,000 words of completely free, tried and tested podcast education. It's totally focussed on helping you to grow and monetise your audience and has become one of the most trusted go-to places for honest podc...
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