
Who Gets To Call Themselves A 'Professional'? Law Professor Breaks Down The Licensing Scheme with Rebecca Haw Allensworth - Episode 188
02/21/25 • 24 min
Kathryn Rubino chats with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, a Vanderbilt Law School professor and author of “The Licensing Racket”. Discover the untold stories behind professional licensing, the unexpected impact on various careers, and why these regulations might not always serve the public. Rebecca’s firsthand research brings intriguing insights into how licensing affects professions from barbers to doctors and potential reforms. Don’t miss this chance to rethink the system that shapes many of our careers!.
Highlights
- English vs. Law: Career advice.
- Antitrust: Economical dominance.
- Licensing paper: Supreme Court citation.
- Licensing board meetings investigation.
- Self-regulation across professions.
- Over-regulation: Haircuts vs. law degrees.
- Professional licenses as American Dream.
- Legal profession self-dealing.
- Cross-disciplinary board potential.
- Federalism complicates licensing reform.
- Hope for future board reforms.
Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus
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Kathryn Rubino chats with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, a Vanderbilt Law School professor and author of “The Licensing Racket”. Discover the untold stories behind professional licensing, the unexpected impact on various careers, and why these regulations might not always serve the public. Rebecca’s firsthand research brings intriguing insights into how licensing affects professions from barbers to doctors and potential reforms. Don’t miss this chance to rethink the system that shapes many of our careers!.
Highlights
- English vs. Law: Career advice.
- Antitrust: Economical dominance.
- Licensing paper: Supreme Court citation.
- Licensing board meetings investigation.
- Self-regulation across professions.
- Over-regulation: Haircuts vs. law degrees.
- Professional licenses as American Dream.
- Legal profession self-dealing.
- Cross-disciplinary board potential.
- Federalism complicates licensing reform.
- Hope for future board reforms.
Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus
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Kathryn Rubino chats with Jackie Gardina, Dean and Chief Academic Officer of The Colleges of Law, about systemic change, legal education, and the hurdles to entering the legal profession. Gain insights on LGBTQ rights, bar exam reform, and advice for future law students. A must-listen for those interested in modern legal challenges!
Highlights
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- State-level demonization of LGBTQ youth.
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- Bar exam as an exclusionary mechanism.
- Disconnect between bar exam and legal practice.
- COVID as an inflection point for bar reform.
- The push for bar exam reform in California.
- Critique of law school’s alignment with practice.
Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus
Links and Resources
- https://www.calbar.ca.gov/About-Us/Who-We-Are/Archived-Committees/Blue-Ribbon-Commission
- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sidebar-optimism-in-action-conversations-with-lawyers/id1651930609
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackie-gardina-78907b8/
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Playing Games With The Supreme Court with Talia Rosen - Episode 189
Kathryn Rubino chats with Talia Rosen, the lawyer-turned-board game creator. Her game, “First Monday in October”, offers a strategic dive into U.S. Supreme Court history. Discover her creative process and how it brings legal history alive in an engaging way. Tune in for behind-the-scenes insights into her 10-year journey from concept to a playable reality!
Highlights
- Law school decision: Intentional or accidental?
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- Balancing day job and game creation.
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- Game testing: Community feedback and play-testing events.
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- Historical trivia: Fascinating facts about past justices.
Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus
Links and Resources
- https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/314086/first-monday-in-october
- https://www.fortcircle.com/first-monday-in-october/
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