
Episode #8 Alexander Betts and Ola Rosling
12/17/20 • 41 min
Episode Introduction
Alexander Betts, Professor of Forced Migration and International Affairs at the University of Oxford, and Ola Rosling, CEO of Gapminder, discuss what (almost) everybody gets wrong about refugees in this episode hosted by IKEA Foundation CEO Per Heggenes.
There are a lot of misconceptions about refugees, especially around their intentions and why they leave their homes, belongings and loved ones to venture into the unknown. Do you think you know your facts about refugees? Learn more from two interesting and knowledgeable guests who shine a light on some of the issues faced by the world’s 26 million refugees.
Guests Bio
Ola Rosling is President and Co-Founder of Gapminder Foundation, which he founded together with his wife and his father. Since 1999, Ola has led the development of the Trendalyzer software, which was acquired by Google in 2007. At Google Ola and his team delivered the Motion Chart as part of Google Spreadsheets. As Product Manager for Google Public Data, Ola then helped democratise access to public statistics by developing the infrastructure needed to make official statistics part of Google Search results. Ola and Anna went back to Gapminder in 2011 to develop free teaching materials for a fact-based worldview. In 2014, Ola coined the term “Factfulness”, which Gapminder is now promoting to make education about Sustainable Development less ideological and more fact-based.
Together with Anna and Hans, Ola wrote Factfulness, a book launched in April 2018.
Twitter handle: @OlaRosling
Alexander Betts is Professor of Forced Migration and International Affairs, William Golding Senior Fellow in Politics at Brasenose College, and Associate Head of the Social Sciences Division, at the University of Oxford. He served as Director of the Refugee Studies Centre between 2014 and 2017. His research focuses on the politics and economics of refugee assistance. He is co-author, with Paul Collier, of Refuge: Transforming a Broken Refugee System (Penguin Allen Lane), which was named by the Economist as one of the “Best Books of 2017”. He is a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader and was named by Foreign Policy magazine in the top 100 global thinkers of 2016. His TED talks have been viewed by over 3 million people, and he has written for the New York Times, the Guardian, and the Washington Post. He has previously worked for UNHCR and serves as a Councillor on the World Refugee Council.
Twitter handle: @alexander_betts
Mentioned in this episode
To learn more: Factfulness book launched in April 2018. https://www.gapminder.org/factfulness-book/
To know more about Gapminder:
To know more about Oxford University:
https://www.rsc.ox.ac.uk/publications
Show credits
Host: Altaf Makhiawala, Strategic Communicator, IKEA Foundation
Executive Producer: Truus Huisman, Chief Communication Officer
Researcher: Blanche van de Stolpe, Strategic Communicator, IKEA Foundation
An Andy Clark Media Production for the IKEA Foundation
Want to contact the show? Reach out at [email protected]
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Episode Introduction
Alexander Betts, Professor of Forced Migration and International Affairs at the University of Oxford, and Ola Rosling, CEO of Gapminder, discuss what (almost) everybody gets wrong about refugees in this episode hosted by IKEA Foundation CEO Per Heggenes.
There are a lot of misconceptions about refugees, especially around their intentions and why they leave their homes, belongings and loved ones to venture into the unknown. Do you think you know your facts about refugees? Learn more from two interesting and knowledgeable guests who shine a light on some of the issues faced by the world’s 26 million refugees.
Guests Bio
Ola Rosling is President and Co-Founder of Gapminder Foundation, which he founded together with his wife and his father. Since 1999, Ola has led the development of the Trendalyzer software, which was acquired by Google in 2007. At Google Ola and his team delivered the Motion Chart as part of Google Spreadsheets. As Product Manager for Google Public Data, Ola then helped democratise access to public statistics by developing the infrastructure needed to make official statistics part of Google Search results. Ola and Anna went back to Gapminder in 2011 to develop free teaching materials for a fact-based worldview. In 2014, Ola coined the term “Factfulness”, which Gapminder is now promoting to make education about Sustainable Development less ideological and more fact-based.
Together with Anna and Hans, Ola wrote Factfulness, a book launched in April 2018.
Twitter handle: @OlaRosling
Alexander Betts is Professor of Forced Migration and International Affairs, William Golding Senior Fellow in Politics at Brasenose College, and Associate Head of the Social Sciences Division, at the University of Oxford. He served as Director of the Refugee Studies Centre between 2014 and 2017. His research focuses on the politics and economics of refugee assistance. He is co-author, with Paul Collier, of Refuge: Transforming a Broken Refugee System (Penguin Allen Lane), which was named by the Economist as one of the “Best Books of 2017”. He is a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader and was named by Foreign Policy magazine in the top 100 global thinkers of 2016. His TED talks have been viewed by over 3 million people, and he has written for the New York Times, the Guardian, and the Washington Post. He has previously worked for UNHCR and serves as a Councillor on the World Refugee Council.
Twitter handle: @alexander_betts
Mentioned in this episode
To learn more: Factfulness book launched in April 2018. https://www.gapminder.org/factfulness-book/
To know more about Gapminder:
To know more about Oxford University:
https://www.rsc.ox.ac.uk/publications
Show credits
Host: Altaf Makhiawala, Strategic Communicator, IKEA Foundation
Executive Producer: Truus Huisman, Chief Communication Officer
Researcher: Blanche van de Stolpe, Strategic Communicator, IKEA Foundation
An Andy Clark Media Production for the IKEA Foundation
Want to contact the show? Reach out at [email protected]
FACEBOOK | TWITTER | LINKEDIN | INSTAGRAM
Learn more about IKEA Foundation:
Previous Episode

Episode #7 Barri Shorey
Episode Introduction
In this episode, Barri Shorey from International Rescue Committee, discusses not only the current challenges refugees face around the world, but the often overlooked long-term economic impacts of how the COVID-19 pandemic affects refugees differently with IKEA Foundation Chief Executive Officer, Per Heggenes. The question we will discuss will be: What’s life like for a refugee caught in the global COVID pandemic – now, and in the future?
Guests Bio
Barri Shorey is the Senior Director of the Economic Recovery and Development Unit of the International Rescue Committee, which works to ensure that people whose lives and livelihoods have been shattered by conflict or disaster have their most basic survival needs met and have the assets and income to prosper. She manages a team of 30 people supporting quality implementation, research and evidence building, and strategy development of the IRC’s global cash and livelihoods programming.
Twitter handle: @BarriShorey
Mentioned in this episode
To get questions that have been asked during this session
https://ikeafoundation.org/ask-an-expert-with-barri-shorey/
To know more about International Rescue Committee (IRC) partnership with IKEA Foundation:
https://ikeafoundation.org/story/world-refugee-day-2020/
To know more about International Rescue Committee (IRC) call to action:
https://www.rescue.org/article/refugees-and-their-new-communities-thriving-together
Show credits
Host: Altaf Makhiawala
Executive Producer: Truus Huisman
Researcher: Blanche van de Stolpe
An Andy Clark Media Production for the IKEA Foundation
Want to contact the show? Reach out at [email protected]
FACEBOOK | TWITTER | LINKEDIN | INSTAGRAM
Learn more about IKEA Foundation: www.ikeafoundation.org
Programming Note:
This conversation was recorded as part of the Ask An Expert series livestreamed online on June 11, 2020. This is an edited and produced version of the conversation for this podcast.
YouTube link to the original video conversation.
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