Episode 482: Truth, Lies, and Spiritual Imagination with John Mark Comer
11/10/21 • 90 min
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Why do we expect the Christian life to be easy when the Bible clearly says it will be a struggle? Starting with the wrong expectation, says John Mark Comer, makes us spiritually neurotic and causes more suffering than necessary. He talks with Skye about his new book, “Live No Lies,” why spiritual warfare isn’t what you’ve been taught, why information alone doesn’t change us, and what it means to really be people committed to the truth.
Also this week, artificial intelligence is now offering very questionable ethical advice. Phil wonders what it means for self-driving cars. Two seminaries are suing the government over the Covid vaccine mandate, but is it really a question of religious liberty? New data says white evangelicals are those most likely to use violence to defend America, and those most likely to reject America’s founding ideal of pluralism. Does anyone else see a contradiction? Plus, skull-crushing wombat bums.
News Segment:
Deadly wombat butts [5:14] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/04/wombats-deadly-bums-how-they-use-their-skull-crushing-rumps-to-fight-play-and-flirt
Ethical AI trained on Reddit [13:57] https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dg8m/ethical-ai-trained-on-reddit-posts-said-genocide-is-okay-if-it-makes-people-happy
“Drive Recklessly” short film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8
Two evangelical seminaries sue to block vaccine mandates [27:32]
Study: Most white evangelicals don’t want to live in a religiously diverse country [38:06]https://religionnews.com/2021/11/01/study-most-white-evangelicals-dont-want-to-live-in-a-religiously-diverse-country/
Holy Post Updates [48:40]
Interview with John Mark Comer:“Live No Lies: Recognize and Resist the Three Enemies That Sabotage Your Peace”- https://amzn.to/3oh724y
PATREON BONUS: https://www.patreon.com/posts/58518164/
Interview Start [51:05]
Spiritual warfare and the spirituality of struggle [53:14]
Truth and lies; desert fathers and mothers [1:00:09]
Information alone vs. embodied spiritual formation [1:05:41]
Mental maps and spiritual imagination [1:13:36]
Conservative and progressive fundamentalism [1:24:14]
Other books mentioned:
“Water from a Deep Well” by Gerald L. Sittser - https://amzn.to/3kpBMPJ “The Road Less Traveled” by M. Scott Peck - https://amzn.to/3D5t4h4 “Where the Light Fell” by Philip Yancey - https://amzn.to/3mZAzjS
The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
Why do we expect the Christian life to be easy when the Bible clearly says it will be a struggle? Starting with the wrong expectation, says John Mark Comer, makes us spiritually neurotic and causes more suffering than necessary. He talks with Skye about his new book, “Live No Lies,” why spiritual warfare isn’t what you’ve been taught, why information alone doesn’t change us, and what it means to really be people committed to the truth.
Also this week, artificial intelligence is now offering very questionable ethical advice. Phil wonders what it means for self-driving cars. Two seminaries are suing the government over the Covid vaccine mandate, but is it really a question of religious liberty? New data says white evangelicals are those most likely to use violence to defend America, and those most likely to reject America’s founding ideal of pluralism. Does anyone else see a contradiction? Plus, skull-crushing wombat bums.
News Segment:
Deadly wombat butts [5:14] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/04/wombats-deadly-bums-how-they-use-their-skull-crushing-rumps-to-fight-play-and-flirt
Ethical AI trained on Reddit [13:57] https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dg8m/ethical-ai-trained-on-reddit-posts-said-genocide-is-okay-if-it-makes-people-happy
“Drive Recklessly” short film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8
Two evangelical seminaries sue to block vaccine mandates [27:32]
Study: Most white evangelicals don’t want to live in a religiously diverse country [38:06]https://religionnews.com/2021/11/01/study-most-white-evangelicals-dont-want-to-live-in-a-religiously-diverse-country/
Holy Post Updates [48:40]
Interview with John Mark Comer:“Live No Lies: Recognize and Resist the Three Enemies That Sabotage Your Peace”- https://amzn.to/3oh724y
PATREON BONUS: https://www.patreon.com/posts/58518164/
Interview Start [51:05]
Spiritual warfare and the spirituality of struggle [53:14]
Truth and lies; desert fathers and mothers [1:00:09]
Information alone vs. embodied spiritual formation [1:05:41]
Mental maps and spiritual imagination [1:13:36]
Conservative and progressive fundamentalism [1:24:14]
Other books mentioned:
“Water from a Deep Well” by Gerald L. Sittser - https://amzn.to/3kpBMPJ “The Road Less Traveled” by M. Scott Peck - https://amzn.to/3D5t4h4 “Where the Light Fell” by Philip Yancey - https://amzn.to/3mZAzjS
The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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Episode 481: Admitting the Skeletons in Christianity’s Closet with John Dickson
What is Christianity’s contribution to history and has it been positive or negative? John Dickson says Christians should obey Jesus’ command to remove the plank from our own eye and admit the many ugly truths about church history. Only then will we be able to see clearly the parts of church history that conform to the way of Jesus. Skye talks to Dickson about his new book, “Bullies & Saints: An Honest Look at the Good and Evil of Christian History.”
Also this week, a conspiracy filled speech by the actor who played Jesus in “The Passion of the Christ” has gone viral. Why are evangelicals more susceptible than others to such nonsense? And was Bonhoeffer right that stupidity is more dangerous than malice? Plus, why does the Bible forbid witchcraft? (Hint: it has nothing to do with patriarchy.) And, PETA is trying to change our language to protect the feelings of cows and chickens
News Segment:
Celebrating Halloween? [3:32]
PETA urges MLB to change ‘bullpen’ term [8:10
‘Jewitches’ embracing both Judaism and witchcraft [12:20] https://religionnews.com/2021/10/25/how-some-jewitches-are-embracing-both-judaism-and-witchcraft/
Jim Caviezel quoting Bravehart at a QAnon conference [19:25]
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8616320-stupidity-is-a-more-dangerous-enemy-of-the-good-than
https://sproutsschools.com/bonhoeffers-theory-of-stupidity/
Interview with John Dickson:
Bullies and Saints: An Honest Look at the Good and Evil of Christian History - https://amzn.to/2ZLgOE4 Centre for Public Christianity - https://www.publicchristianity.org
Interview Start [48:06]
Why church history? [49:31] Tribalism and the plank in our own eye [53:05]
How do we explain Christians doing terrible things throughout history? [58:27] How to talk with people about church history [1:13:00] Is Christianity really still needed? [1:18:36] https://undeceptions.com/podcast/christian-revolution/
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Holy Post Episode 483: Faith, Science, and the Covid Vaccines with Francis Collins
Are faith and science irreconcilable belief systems? Not according to Dr. Francis Collins, the Director of the National Institutes of Health and founder of BioLogos. He talks with Phil about his journey from atheism to faith, his role in overseeing the country’s response to Covid-19, and why America’s culture war is literally killing people. Collins also explains why the Covid vaccines are safe and should be embraced by Christians as an answer to prayer.
Then, The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s attack on a small Texas church backfires, leading to a conversation about God and gendered language. The editor of World Magazine leaves in protest as yet another evangelical institution takes a sharp turn to the right. Are we witnessing the final fury of a dying religious right? Plus, Phil was unknowingly on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert. And, a meaningless archeological discovery in Michigan.
News Segment:
November livestream details [3:41] http://patreon.com/holypost
Archaeological discovery in Michigan [5:21] https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/32486160/the-remarkable-story-man-found-162-bowling-balls-house
Phil on the Late Show [12:24]
Beth Allison Barr and our language for God [14:04]
“The Making of Biblical Womanhood” - https://amzn.to/3oSOVm3 https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-457-paul-power-patriarchy-with-beth-allison-barr
Marvin Olasky and the struggle between evangelicals and fundamentalists [28:52] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/14/business/world-magazine-marvin-olasky-trump.html
https://twitter.com/drantbradley/status/1460273263590916099
Interview with Francis Collins:
Interview Start [49:28] “Language of God” book [52:20] https://amzn.to/3qGHG2P
Response to objections after NIH nomination [55:19]
Science and faith conflicts [57:20]
COVID-19 responses and vaccines [1:00:05]
Legacy as a visible scientist of faith [1:07:23]
Culture wars and the pandemic [1:15:21]
Other resources mentioned:
Biologos: https://biologos.org
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