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The Holy Post - 638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez

638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez

10/09/24 • 89 min

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Being a cultural Christian used to be an insult, but more people are embracing the label with pride. The Holy Post crew unpacks what’s behind the growing affection for cultural Christianity, and they explain why it’s more important than ever to embrace the weird, supernatural beliefs of the faith. Historian Kristen Kobes Du Mez is back to discuss her new documentary, “For Our Daughters,” about the sexual abuse scandals that have shaken the faith of many in the church. She sees a link between the theology and culture that created and covered-up sexual abuse in the church, and the rise of political idolatry within evangelicalism. Also this week—hurricanes are now political, and a Haitian pastor in New Hampshire with a sense of humor invites pets to his church.

For Our Daughters Full Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkES4X_qb6c

Holy Post Plus:

Getting Schooled: Debt and Theology 101

https://www.patreon.com/posts/113616129/

0:00 - Intro

1:18 - Show Starts

3:24 - Theme Song

3:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout.

4:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST

7:18 - Terry Gilliam’s News of the Butt

10:30 - Haitian Priest Blesses Pets

15:05 - Hurricane Helene

23:02 - Cultural Christianity Michael Bird Article

34:58 - Why Christian Beliefs are Necessary for Christian Virtue

53:47 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to https://www.nae.org/introduction-difficult-conversations-podcast-series/ to check it out!

54:53 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at https://www.faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off

56:00 - Interview

1:02:26 - How Women are Blamed for Men’s Sins

1:08:47 - Are Churches Better Prepared to Address Sexual Abuse?

1:14:54 - Is the Culture More Likely to Call Out Abuse Now?

1:18:17 - The Link Between January 6 and Sexual Abuse Scandals

1:24:04 - Will There Be a Church Backlash if Kamala Wins?

1:29:04 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at www.wheaton.edu/holypost

Haitian Priest Blesses Pets:

https://religionnews.com/2024/10/06/in-new-hampshire-a-haitian-priest-blesses-animals-defeating-internet-pet-eating-rumors-with-laughter/

Disaster Relief for Hurricane Helene:

https://www.bpr.org/bpr-news/2024-09-28/list-ways-to-donate-and-help-flood-victims-in-western-north-carolina-after-hurricane-helene

The Rise of Cultural Christianity:

https://michaelfbird.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-cultural-christianity?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=313362&post_id=148631936&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=6smb2&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Other resources:

Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/

Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus

Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost

Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop

The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

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Being a cultural Christian used to be an insult, but more people are embracing the label with pride. The Holy Post crew unpacks what’s behind the growing affection for cultural Christianity, and they explain why it’s more important than ever to embrace the weird, supernatural beliefs of the faith. Historian Kristen Kobes Du Mez is back to discuss her new documentary, “For Our Daughters,” about the sexual abuse scandals that have shaken the faith of many in the church. She sees a link between the theology and culture that created and covered-up sexual abuse in the church, and the rise of political idolatry within evangelicalism. Also this week—hurricanes are now political, and a Haitian pastor in New Hampshire with a sense of humor invites pets to his church.

For Our Daughters Full Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkES4X_qb6c

Holy Post Plus:

Getting Schooled: Debt and Theology 101

https://www.patreon.com/posts/113616129/

0:00 - Intro

1:18 - Show Starts

3:24 - Theme Song

3:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout.

4:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST

7:18 - Terry Gilliam’s News of the Butt

10:30 - Haitian Priest Blesses Pets

15:05 - Hurricane Helene

23:02 - Cultural Christianity Michael Bird Article

34:58 - Why Christian Beliefs are Necessary for Christian Virtue

53:47 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to https://www.nae.org/introduction-difficult-conversations-podcast-series/ to check it out!

54:53 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at https://www.faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off

56:00 - Interview

1:02:26 - How Women are Blamed for Men’s Sins

1:08:47 - Are Churches Better Prepared to Address Sexual Abuse?

1:14:54 - Is the Culture More Likely to Call Out Abuse Now?

1:18:17 - The Link Between January 6 and Sexual Abuse Scandals

1:24:04 - Will There Be a Church Backlash if Kamala Wins?

1:29:04 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at www.wheaton.edu/holypost

Haitian Priest Blesses Pets:

https://religionnews.com/2024/10/06/in-new-hampshire-a-haitian-priest-blesses-animals-defeating-internet-pet-eating-rumors-with-laughter/

Disaster Relief for Hurricane Helene:

https://www.bpr.org/bpr-news/2024-09-28/list-ways-to-donate-and-help-flood-victims-in-western-north-carolina-after-hurricane-helene

The Rise of Cultural Christianity:

https://michaelfbird.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-cultural-christianity?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=313362&post_id=148631936&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=6smb2&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Other resources:

Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/

Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus

Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost

Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop

The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

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2:52 - Theme Song

3:14 - Sponsor - Zondervan - The NIV, Upside-Down Kingdom Bible helps you flip earthly wisdom on its head - Go to https://www.upsidedownkingdombible.com

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51:39 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to https://www.nae.org/introduction-difficult-conversations-podcast-series/ to check it out!

53:37- Interview

59:10 - How We’ve Failed to Disciple People About Sex

1:06:48 - Prophetic Politics

1:13:50 - Church Pain

1:19:36 - Community Service in the Church

1:28:38 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Gorillas and Screen Time

https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/zoos-gorillas-screen-time-phones-videos-e88531a7

The Acceptance Stage of Lost Evangelical Influence

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/09/the-acceptance-stage-lost-influence-evangelicals-diverse-democracy/

America’s Young Men Are Falling Even Further Behind

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/young-american-men-lost-c1d799f7

Other resources:

Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/

Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus

Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost

Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop

The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

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1:51 - Show Starts

4:54 - Theme Song

5:15 - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to https://www.nae.org/introduction-difficult-conversations-podcast-series/ to check it out!

6:21 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at https://www.faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off

9:18 - Fruit Fly Study on Swallowing and Happiness

15:21 - Kaitlyn Learns About 80’s Bands

18:30 - Kaitlyn’s Schiess’s Political Method Article

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56:44 - Church History and Interpretations of Mary Magdalene

1:06:15 - Mary Magdalene the Tower

1:18:16 - Mary Magdalene the Apostle to the Apostles

1:24:15 - How Mary Magdalene Points to Christ

1:26:58 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at www.wheaton.edu/holypost

Fruit Flies Get Happy from Swallowing

https://futurism.com/neoscope/overeating-swallowing-study-esophagus-disorders-serotonin

In Search of a Christian Political Method with Kaitlyn Schiess: https://religionnews.com/2024/09/30/in-search-of-a-christian-political-method/

Other resources:

The Mary We Forgot: What the Apostle to the Apostles Teaches the Church Today by Jennifer Powell McNutt: https://a.co/d/3w6oxT5

Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/

Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus

Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost

Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop

The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

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