
(4) S1E4 The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Logic and Intuition
08/24/19 • 64 min
- A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- “Men Against Fire”: https://www.amazon.com/Men-Against-Fire-Problem-Command-ebook/dp/B00A8I385I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=s.l.a.+marshall&qid=1564776265&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- “On Killing”: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/B0056NVXXO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=on+killing&qid=1564776301&s=gateway&sr=8-3
- Killing from the Inside Out: Moral Injury and Just War: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Inside-Out-Moral-Injury-ebook/dp/B00NVN93EM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=killing+from+the+inside+out&qid=1568229887&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Is Just War Theory sustainable or idealistic (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/just-how-realistic-is-just-war-theory-the-case-for-christian-rea/10099656
- The Sacrifices of War and the Sacrifice of Christ (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-sacrifices-of-war-and-the-sacrifice-of-christ/10098368
- You Say You Want a Revolution: https://web.archive.org/web/20170320235417/http://udquickly.udayton.edu/2012/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/
- “Why Civil Resistance Works” research: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820
- TED Talk discussing the conclusions of "Why Civil Resistance Works”: https://www.scienceofnonviolence.org/
- The many works of Gene Sharp: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gene+sharp&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802816150/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (html and can print as PDF) if you can’t find on Amazon: https://www.gospeltruth.net/verduin/hybrid.htm
- Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History on torture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRv4NZzBKw
- Historical reflections on Human intuition not to kill: https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvs
- Drugs in the Military: https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2011/01/militarys-drug-policy-threatens-troops-health-doctors-say/48321/
- Broken Warrior Series on Military Health Issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20110818222307/https://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110121_4378.php/
- Is Nonviolence Naive (Answering Questions Against Nonviolence): https://sojo.net/magazine/july-2018/nonviolence-naive
*I have learned a lot about David Grossman since recording this episode. While I don't know that his character necessarily compromises any of the information presented here, I would avoid using him as a resource in the future as that could prove difficult for some to accept. The information in this episode doesn't particularly concern me as I've seen much of the evidence presented from other sources. That being said, you may want to do more research on Grossman and more looking into the information. A fun podcast to listen to about him can be found below, though you should be warned that the language is pretty explicit.
- A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- “Men Against Fire”: https://www.amazon.com/Men-Against-Fire-Problem-Command-ebook/dp/B00A8I385I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=s.l.a.+marshall&qid=1564776265&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- “On Killing”: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/B0056NVXXO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=on+killing&qid=1564776301&s=gateway&sr=8-3
- Killing from the Inside Out: Moral Injury and Just War: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Inside-Out-Moral-Injury-ebook/dp/B00NVN93EM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=killing+from+the+inside+out&qid=1568229887&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Is Just War Theory sustainable or idealistic (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/just-how-realistic-is-just-war-theory-the-case-for-christian-rea/10099656
- The Sacrifices of War and the Sacrifice of Christ (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-sacrifices-of-war-and-the-sacrifice-of-christ/10098368
- You Say You Want a Revolution: https://web.archive.org/web/20170320235417/http://udquickly.udayton.edu/2012/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/
- “Why Civil Resistance Works” research: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820
- TED Talk discussing the conclusions of "Why Civil Resistance Works”: https://www.scienceofnonviolence.org/
- The many works of Gene Sharp: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gene+sharp&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802816150/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (html and can print as PDF) if you can’t find on Amazon: https://www.gospeltruth.net/verduin/hybrid.htm
- Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History on torture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRv4NZzBKw
- Historical reflections on Human intuition not to kill: https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvs
- Drugs in the Military: https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2011/01/militarys-drug-policy-threatens-troops-health-doctors-say/48321/
- Broken Warrior Series on Military Health Issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20110818222307/https://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110121_4378.php/
- Is Nonviolence Naive (Answering Questions Against Nonviolence): https://sojo.net/magazine/july-2018/nonviolence-naive
*I have learned a lot about David Grossman since recording this episode. While I don't know that his character necessarily compromises any of the information presented here, I would avoid using him as a resource in the future as that could prove difficult for some to accept. The information in this episode doesn't particularly concern me as I've seen much of the evidence presented from other sources. That being said, you may want to do more research on Grossman and more looking into the information. A fun podcast to listen to about him can be found below, though you should be warned that the language is pretty explicit.
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- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- Support us through Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thefourthway
- My site with quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-4-teaching-of-the-early-church
- “The Early Church on Killing:" https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564738154&s=gateway&sr=8-1
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(5) S1E5 The Case for Christian Nonviolence: The Real World
*Excuse the mispronunciation of "Goethe." I have since been educated more.
- A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- Waging Nonviolence: https://wagingnonviolence.org/
- Amish shooting and forgiveness: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/02/amish-shooting-10-year-anniversary-pennsylvania-the-happening
- Good Article on Amish Myths and Lifestyle: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fake-amish-and-the-real-o_b_3617736?guccounter=1
- Dan Carlin with Ronald Skirth Quote: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/
- Hannah Arendt on Denmark: https://fee.org/articles/how-denmark-fought-the-nazi-terror/
- Bulgaria Saved Jews: http://liherald.com/fivetowns/stories/how-tiny-bulgaria-saved-50000-jews-in-world-war-ii,101679
- Sophie Scholl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
- Hacksaw Ridge and Desmond Doss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-1hz1juBI
- End of the Spear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeEF_3J0ZY0
- Pablo Yoder Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOdGENdH1fo&t=1s
- City of Refuge Podcast (WWII Stories): https://wagingnonviolence.org/podcast/
- Victories Without Violence: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0943734061/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
- The Plough: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/nonviolence
- The Irresistible Revolution: https://www.amazon.com/Irresistible-Revolution-Updated-Expanded-Ordinary-ebook/dp/B00UF72BAK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+irresistible+revolution&qid=1564925194&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- More Pacifist Quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-8-quotes-to-ponder
- Book which looks at the evidence that Bonhoeffer did not compromise his nonviolent belief: https://www.amazon.com/Bonhoeffer-Assassin-Challenging-Recovering-Peacemaking/dp/0801039614/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=dan+umbel+bonhoeffer&qid=1575140932&sr=8-1-fkmr1
- Shell Shock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvTRJZGWqF8&feature=youtu.be
- WWII Psychosis Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiD6bnqpJDE&feature=youtu.be
- Phillip Mast
- patrick H
- Laverne Miller
- Jesse Killion
The Fourth Way - (4) S1E4 The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Logic and Intuition
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Welcome back to the Fourth Way podcast. This is the 4th installment in our series on Christian Nonviolence. In the first episode, I told you a bit about my story, how on my journey to nonviolence I had to first address some of my biases and presuppositions to be able to objectively look at the case for nonviolence. In the second episode, we discussed the Biblical case for Christian non violence. Taking a look at the Old Testament gave us glimpses of
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