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The Fourth Way

The Fourth Way

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A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.

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The Fourth Way - (150) S8E7 {Interview ~ Keith Giles} "Jesus Unarmed"
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11/19/21 • 85 min

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The Fourth Way - (149) S8E6 Four Incarnations: Volitional
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11/18/21 • 4 min

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The Fourth Way - (254)S11E5/5: Propaganda in the Real World: Interview Robert Meeropol

I am releasing this episode on the 70th anniversary of their execution, at 8:00 PM EST, the time at which the Julius and Ethel were executed.

Pre-Episode Introduction
0:00:00 - Introduction and Robert's story
0:08:40 - Manichean nature of propaganda
0:12:40 - Government destroys culture, not just resistance
0:14:35 - Timing of this episode

Interview with Robert
0:18:05 - Propaganda in the case of Robert's parents
0:23:35 - Role of fear and othering in propaganda
0:31:45 - Why was it important for propaganda that the kids of the Rosenbergs were targeted as threats?
0:42:45 - Propaganda in the media as a sedative that gets people to work within the system rather than buck it
0:56:10 - How can we know truth in a world saturated by propaganda?
1:04:50 - Why can't the government bring itself to admit they're wrong?
1:16:05 - Why do we need activists today if we solved discrimination with Civil Rights?
1:26:10 - Resource recommendations and plugs

  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing
  • Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXPgp06Xp5Hc-IlB3x81Fwi6ZCCHL4uu2Xs8Wu1rKJs/edit?usp=sharing
  • YouTube version of our interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbzPXxJ2PTo
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 1 INTRODUCTION: https://share.transistor.fm/s/4fec1099
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 2 HOW PROPAGANDA FUNCTIONS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/7f9c0a8c
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 3 THE FALSE PROPHET OF PROPAGANDA: https://share.transistor.fm/s/89025034
  • An Execution in the Family (Robert's Book): https://www.amazon.com/Execution-Family-One-Sons-Journey-ebook/dp/B003J5UJJK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=252RAVF2FZJCL&keywords=an+execution+in+the+family&qid=1650622614&s=digital-text&sprefix=an+execution+in+the+family%2Cdigital-text%2C193&sr=1-1
  • Executing the Rosenbergs: https://www.amazon.com/Executing-Rosenbergs-Death-Diplomacy-World-ebook/dp/B015P7A066/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IUJQLH31QLL9&keywords=executing+the+rosenbergs&qid=1650622585&s=digital-text&sprefix=executing+the+rosenberg%2Cdigital-text%2C190&sr=1-1
  • Rosenberg Fund for Children: https://www.rfc.org/
  • Ellul's "Propaganda": https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/B08YJ3V7F4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GGCP6WP3WUXW&keywords=ellul+propaganda&qid=1650622694&sprefix=ellul+propagand%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1
  • Chomsky on Propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suFzznCHjko
  • The Radical King (on King and Communism): https://www.amazon.com/The-Radical-King-audiobook/dp/B0799ZNCQQ/ref=sr_1_39?crid=1FHIRH7P45O7X&keywords=martin+luther+king&qid=1650620746&sprefix=martin+luther+kin%2Caps%2C201&sr=8-39
  • "Strange Fruit" sung by Billie Holiday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI
  • "The Rosenbergs" poem by W.E.B. DuBois: https://minervasperch.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/the-rosenbergs-june-1953-by-w-e-b-du-bois/
  • Robert Williams and Radio Free Dixie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Dixie
  • Negroes with Guns by Robert Williams: https://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1773230522
  • Slavery into the 1940's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA
  • Slavery into Modernity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXbJHsKB3I
  • Terror Factory: https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Factory-Inside-Manufactured-Terrorism/dp/1632460653/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1RHU33LH9VVFD&keywords=terror+factory&qid=1650622428&s=books&sprefix=terror+factory%2Cstripbooks%2C211&sr=1-1
  • Nixon's War at Home: https://www.amazon.com/Nixons-War-Home-Guerrillas-Counterterrorism/dp/B09HVC31CS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DHD4VELWJKKK&keywords=nixon%27s+war+at+home&qid=1650622483&s=books&sprefix=nixon%27s+war+at+ho%2Cstripbooks%2...

I am releasing this episode on the 70th anniversary of their execution, at 8:00 PM EST, the time at which the Julius and Ethel were executed.

Pre-Episode Introduction
0:00:00 - Introduction and Robert's story
0:08:40 - Manichean nature of propaganda
0:12:40 - Government destroys culture, not just resistance
0:14:35 - Timing of this episode

Interview with Robert
0:18:05 - Propaganda in the case of Robert's parents
0:23:35 - Role of fear and othering in propaganda
0:31:45 - Why was it important for propaganda that the kids of the Rosenbergs were targeted as threats?
0:42:45 - Propaganda in the media as a sedative that gets people to work within the system rather than buck it
0:56:10 - How can we know truth in a world saturated by propaganda?
1:04:50 - Why can't the government bring itself to admit they're wrong?
1:16:05 - Why do we need activists today if we solved discrimination with Civil Rights?
1:26:10 - Resource recommendations and plugs

  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing
  • Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXPgp06Xp5Hc-IlB3x81Fwi6ZCCHL4uu2Xs8Wu1rKJs/edit?usp=sharing
  • YouTube version of our interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbzPXxJ2PTo
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 1 INTRODUCTION: https://share.transistor.fm/s/4fec1099
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 2 HOW PROPAGANDA FUNCTIONS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/7f9c0a8c
  • PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 3 THE FALSE PROPHET OF PROPAGANDA: https://share.transistor.fm/s/89025034
  • An Execution in the Family (Robert's Book): https://www.amazon.com/Execution-Family-One-Sons-Journey-ebook/dp/B003J5UJJK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=252RAVF2FZJCL&keywords=an+execution+in+the+family&qid=1650622614&s=digital-text&sprefix=an+execution+in+the+family%2Cdigital-text%2C193&sr=1-1
  • Executing the Rosenbergs: https://www.amazon.com/Executing-Rosenbergs-Death-Diplomacy-World-ebook/dp/B015P7A066/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IUJQLH31QLL9&keywords=executing+the+rosenbergs&qid=1650622585&s=digital-text&sprefix=executing+the+rosenberg%2Cdigital-text%2C190&sr=1-1
  • Rosenberg Fund for Children: https://www.rfc.org/
  • Ellul's "Propaganda": https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/B08YJ3V7F4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GGCP6WP3WUXW&keywords=ellul+propaganda&qid=1650622694&sprefix=ellul+propagand%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1
  • Chomsky on Propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suFzznCHjko
  • The Radical King (on King and Communism): https://www.amazon.com/The-Radical-King-audiobook/dp/B0799ZNCQQ/ref=sr_1_39?crid=1FHIRH7P45O7X&keywords=martin+luther+king&qid=1650620746&sprefix=martin+luther+kin%2Caps%2C201&sr=8-39
  • "Strange Fruit" sung by Billie Holiday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI
  • "The Rosenbergs" poem by W.E.B. DuBois: https://minervasperch.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/the-rosenbergs-june-1953-by-w-e-b-du-bois/
  • Robert Williams and Radio Free Dixie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Dixie
  • Negroes with Guns by Robert Williams: https://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1773230522
  • Slavery into the 1940's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA
  • Slavery into Modernity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXbJHsKB3I
  • Terror Factory: https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Factory-Inside-Manufactured-Terrorism/dp/1632460653/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1RHU33LH9VVFD&keywords=terror+factory&qid=1650622428&s=books&sprefix=terror+factory%2Cstripbooks%2C211&sr=1-1
  • Nixon's War at Home: https://www.amazon.com/Nixons-War-Home-Guerrillas-Counterterrorism/dp/B09HVC31CS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DHD4VELWJKKK&keywords=nixon%27s+war+at+home&qid=1650622483&s=books&sprefix=nixon%27s+war+at+ho%2Cstripbooks%2...
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06/20/23 • 89 min

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The Fourth Way - (36) S2E13 Abstention from Political Idolatry

As Christians in the U.S. start thinking about voting for a commander in chief this fall, I thought I'd throw out an unpopular option for everyone to chew on. I've done a significant amount of reflection on politics, voting, and Kingdom living over the past few years, and I have concluded that the option of abstention is something that needs to be on the table for Christians. It may not be something you do in this election, or any future election, but it needs to be a tool you have available to you and one you can respect others using. In this podcast episode I lay out that case for this option, but if you want the summary and don't want to listen to a ninety minute episode, I'll summarize below.

https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/se2-abstention-from-political-idolatry

1. Many Christians view what James calls true religion as optional (helping orphans, widows, etc), as few Christians judge others for not doing these things. Only people who are "called" to those things are required to do them. Few people in our churches adopt, volunteer at the food pantry, etc. We view those things as op...

As Christians in the U.S. start thinking about voting for a commander in chief this fall, I thought I'd throw out an unpopular option for everyone to chew on. I've done a significant amount of reflection on politics, voting, and Kingdom living over the past few years, and I have concluded that the option of abstention is something that needs to be on the table for Christians. It may not be something you do in this election, or any future election, but it needs to be a tool you have available to you and one you can respect others using. In this podcast episode I lay out that case for this option, but if you want the summary and don't want to listen to a ninety minute episode, I'll summarize below.

https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/se2-abstention-from-political-idolatry

1. Many Christians view what James calls true religion as optional (helping orphans, widows, etc), as few Christians judge others for not doing these things. Only people who are "called" to those things are required to do them. Few people in our churches adopt, volunteer at the food pantry, etc. We view those things as op...

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02/14/20 • 92 min

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The Fourth Way - (48) S2E26 COVID-19 and the Conservative Christian Response

*Please note that I am not particularly critiquing the actions taken by government or individuals, provided their actions are based on honest and educated assessments of data. Isolating everyone vs. isolating only a certain population (e.g. those over 60, those with preexisting conditions, etc) is a judgment call. We don't have all the data necessary to make perfect decisions, so we're experimenting and learning as we go. At what point does shutting down the economy do more harm than good, particularly in countries where they live day to day, hand to mouth? I don't know, and I don't want to judge anyone for difficult decisions.

However, what I do intend to point out in this episode is that my group has erred (as a broad generalization, of course) in our discernment. Many in my group have politicized the virus to the point that we were unable to assess the gravity of the situation, we were unable to effectively love in our actions, and we were unable to wisely discern common sense judgment and action in the situation. While I am not judging for making the wrong decisions given limited information, I am judging our political idolatry and our dismissal of truths which don't fit our desired narrative.

*Please note that I am not particularly critiquing the actions taken by government or individuals, provided their actions are based on honest and educated assessments of data. Isolating everyone vs. isolating only a certain population (e.g. those over 60, those with preexisting conditions, etc) is a judgment call. We don't have all the data necessary to make perfect decisions, so we're experimenting and learning as we go. At what point does shutting down the economy do more harm than good, particularly in countries where they live day to day, hand to mouth? I don't know, and I don't want to judge anyone for difficult decisions.

However, what I do intend to point out in this episode is that my group has erred (as a broad generalization, of course) in our discernment. Many in my group have politicized the virus to the point that we were unable to assess the gravity of the situation, we were unable to effectively love in our actions, and we were unable to wisely discern common sense judgment and action in the situation. While I am not judging for making the wrong decisions given limited information, I am judging our political idolatry and our dismissal of truths which don't fit our desired narrative.

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04/10/20 • 34 min

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The Fourth Way - (65) S1E25 Imperialism, Independence, and Iran

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George Cannon, predecessor of the Truman Doctrine, in a memo (1948): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan
"Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction."

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George Cannon, predecessor of the Truman Doctrine, in a memo (1948): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan
"Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction."

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07/03/20 • 48 min

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The Fourth Way - (211) S9E54 C&G: Positive Anarchism and Benjamin Lay <Repeat #122>
  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • My Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true
  • Video on Benjamin Lay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3v9m6PY6c
  • Fearless Benjamin Lay: https://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Benjamin-Lay-Revolutionary-Abolitionist/dp/0807060984/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+fearless+benjamin+lay&qid=1605836939&sr=8-1
  • All Slavekeepers Apostates: https://www.amazon.com/Slave-Keepers-That-Innocent-Bondage-Apostates-ebook/dp/B088Q5GH7P/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=all+slavekeepers+apostates&qid=1605836920&sr=8-1
  • Wilberforce Prolonged Slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/aug/03/wilberforce-slavery-sierra-leone
  • Noll on the Civil War: https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Crisis-Steven-Janice-Lectures/dp/1469621819/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mark+noll+civil+war&qid=1605836883&sr=8-1
  • John Woolman: https://metrovoicenews.com/john-woolman-the-conscientious-quaker-who-paved-the-way-for-abolition/
  • Britain paid on debt to slave owners through 2015: https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Britains-Loan-toPay-Off-Slave-Owners-Not-Repaid-Until-2015-20180223-0016.html#:~:text=Her%20Majesty%27s%20Treasury%20recently%20revealed%20that%20British%20taxpayers,that%20were%20formerly%20part%20of%20the%20British%20empire.
  • A little more background on Lay and the Colonies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALMgWNCXjI
  • Conceived in Liberty Volumes 1-4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1933550988/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_1XW48KH6KFJ1TFTDRVNP
  • NonviolenceL 25 Lessons: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolence-Lessons-History-Dangerous-Chronicles/dp/0679643354/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolence+25&qid=1607126298&sr=8-1
  • Waging Nonviolence: https://wagingnonviolence.org/
  • New Tactics: https://www.newtactics.org/
  • Victories Without Violence: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.63305
  • Nonviolent Action: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Action-Christian-Demands-Christians/dp/1587433664/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolent+action&qid=1603136228&sr=8-1
  • Is There No Other Way: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1
  • Why Civil Resistance Works: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1
  • Walter Wink: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Walter+Wink&ref=nb_sb_noss
  • Erica Chenoweth TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSehRlU34w&feature=emb_logo
Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Phillip Mast
  • patrick H
  • Laverne Miller
  • Jesse Killion
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • My Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true
  • Video on Benjamin Lay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3v9m6PY6c
  • Fearless Benjamin Lay: https://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Benjamin-Lay-Revolutionary-Abolitionist/dp/0807060984/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+fearless+benjamin+lay&qid=1605836939&sr=8-1
  • All Slavekeepers Apostates: https://www.amazon.com/Slave-Keepers-That-Innocent-Bondage-Apostates-ebook/dp/B088Q5GH7P/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=all+slavekeepers+apostates&qid=1605836920&sr=8-1
  • Wilberforce Prolonged Slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/aug/03/wilberforce-slavery-sierra-leone
  • Noll on the Civil War: https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Crisis-Steven-Janice-Lectures/dp/1469621819/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mark+noll+civil+war&qid=1605836883&sr=8-1
  • John Woolman: https://metrovoicenews.com/john-woolman-the-conscientious-quaker-who-paved-the-way-for-abolition/
  • Britain paid on debt to slave owners through 2015: https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Britains-Loan-toPay-Off-Slave-Owners-Not-Repaid-Until-2015-20180223-0016.html#:~:text=Her%20Majesty%27s%20Treasury%20recently%20revealed%20that%20British%20taxpayers,that%20were%20formerly%20part%20of%20the%20British%20empire.
  • A little more background on Lay and the Colonies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALMgWNCXjI
  • Conceived in Liberty Volumes 1-4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1933550988/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_1XW48KH6KFJ1TFTDRVNP
  • NonviolenceL 25 Lessons: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolence-Lessons-History-Dangerous-Chronicles/dp/0679643354/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolence+25&qid=1607126298&sr=8-1
  • Waging Nonviolence: https://wagingnonviolence.org/
  • New Tactics: https://www.newtactics.org/
  • Victories Without Violence: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.63305
  • Nonviolent Action: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Action-Christian-Demands-Christians/dp/1587433664/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolent+action&qid=1603136228&sr=8-1
  • Is There No Other Way: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1
  • Why Civil Resistance Works: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1
  • Walter Wink: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Walter+Wink&ref=nb_sb_noss
  • Erica Chenoweth TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSehRlU34w&feature=emb_logo
Thanks to our monthly supporters
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  • patrick H
  • Laverne Miller
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★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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10/17/22 • 50 min

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The Fourth Way - (180) S9E23 C&G: Voting <Replay #36>

As Christians in the U.S. start thinking about voting for a commander in chief this fall, I thought I'd throw out an unpopular option for everyone to chew on. I've done a significant amount of reflection on politics, voting, and Kingdom living over the past few years, and I have concluded that the option of abstention is something that needs to be on the table for Christians. It may not be something you do in this election, or any future election, but it needs to be a tool you have available to you and one you can respect others using. In this podcast episode I lay out that case for this option, but if you want the summary and don't want to listen to a ninety minute episode, I'll summarize below.

https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/se2-abstention-from-political-idolatry

1. Many Christians view what James calls true religion as optional (helping orphans, widows, etc), as few Christians judge others for not doing these things. Only people who are "called" to those things are required to do them. Few people in our churches adopt, volunteer at the food pantry, etc. We view those things as optional, and understand if congregants don't have the time to participate. However, many view voting as morally necessary and the responsible thing to do. This mismatch of moral obligations seems to me to be political idolatry. How is it that orphans and widows are optional, ...

As Christians in the U.S. start thinking about voting for a commander in chief this fall, I thought I'd throw out an unpopular option for everyone to chew on. I've done a significant amount of reflection on politics, voting, and Kingdom living over the past few years, and I have concluded that the option of abstention is something that needs to be on the table for Christians. It may not be something you do in this election, or any future election, but it needs to be a tool you have available to you and one you can respect others using. In this podcast episode I lay out that case for this option, but if you want the summary and don't want to listen to a ninety minute episode, I'll summarize below.

https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/se2-abstention-from-political-idolatry

1. Many Christians view what James calls true religion as optional (helping orphans, widows, etc), as few Christians judge others for not doing these things. Only people who are "called" to those things are required to do them. Few people in our churches adopt, volunteer at the food pantry, etc. We view those things as optional, and understand if congregants don't have the time to participate. However, many view voting as morally necessary and the responsible thing to do. This mismatch of moral obligations seems to me to be political idolatry. How is it that orphans and widows are optional, ...

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The Fourth Way - (244)S11E4/2: How Propaganda Became Public Relations
  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing
  • Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/131_02boxbdq67ynpxH4qTo08lhpHWJKEdPsXRC0Z2xk/edit?usp=sharing
  • Manipulating the Masses: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53232641-manipulating-the-masses?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=H9uIM5Aqi4&rank=1
  • C.D. Jackson: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18968778-c-d-jackson?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4v8VJbnSUA&rank=4
  • The Brass Check: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54850.The_Brass_Check?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=31QD9Z05ST&rank=1
  • What to the Slave is the 4th of July: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/speeches-african-american-history/1852-frederick-douglass-what-slave-fourth-july/
  • Dawn of Everything: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=f8V35Ghqol&rank=1
  • War is a Racket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=hAmz9Yhokm&rank=1
  • Taking the Risk Out of Democracy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1120159.Taking_the_Risk_Out_of_Democracy?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=dXT2Mj1LU2&rank=1
  • The Fine Print song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvANy49Kqhw
  • The Technological Society: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274827.The_Technological_Society?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=rgzFLjmZo6&rank=2
  • Propaganda: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274826.Propaganda?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=MJ0Jt4z7sR&rank=1
  • Supreme Injustice chapter on Citizens United: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110285.Supreme_Injustice?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=HesBhL4UNC&rank=1
  • The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74176.The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=FMaV9bgi7L&rank=2
  • Corruption is legal in America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&t=248s
  • The Persuaders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRv8syM-zy8

HUME QUOTE:
Nothing appears more surprizing to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and the implicit submission, with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers. When we enquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that, as Force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is therefore, on opinion only that government is founded; and this maxim extends to the most despotic and most military governments, as well as to the most free and most popular. The soldan of Egypt, or the emperor of Rome, might drive his harmless subjects, like brute beasts, against their sentiments and inclination: But he must, at least, have led his mamalukes, or prætorian bands, like men, by their opinion.

DOUGLAS QUOTE:
But a change has now come over the affairs of mankind. Walled cities and empires have become unfashionable. The arm of commerce has borne away the gates of the strong city. Intelligence is penetrating the darkest corners of the globe. It makes its pathway over and under the sea, as well as on the earth. Wind, steam, and lightning are its chartered agents. Oceans no longer divide, but link nations together. From Boston to London is now a holiday excursion. Space is comparatively annihilated. -- Thoughts expressed on one side of the Atlantic are distinctly heard on the other.The far off and almost fabulous Pacific rolls in grandeur at our feet. The Celestial Empire, the mystery of ages, is being solved. The fiat of the Almighty, "Let there be Light," has not yet spent its force. No abuse, no outrage whether in taste, sport or avarice, can now hide ...

  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing
  • Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/131_02boxbdq67ynpxH4qTo08lhpHWJKEdPsXRC0Z2xk/edit?usp=sharing
  • Manipulating the Masses: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53232641-manipulating-the-masses?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=H9uIM5Aqi4&rank=1
  • C.D. Jackson: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18968778-c-d-jackson?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4v8VJbnSUA&rank=4
  • The Brass Check: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54850.The_Brass_Check?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=31QD9Z05ST&rank=1
  • What to the Slave is the 4th of July: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/speeches-african-american-history/1852-frederick-douglass-what-slave-fourth-july/
  • Dawn of Everything: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=f8V35Ghqol&rank=1
  • War is a Racket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=hAmz9Yhokm&rank=1
  • Taking the Risk Out of Democracy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1120159.Taking_the_Risk_Out_of_Democracy?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=dXT2Mj1LU2&rank=1
  • The Fine Print song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvANy49Kqhw
  • The Technological Society: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274827.The_Technological_Society?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=rgzFLjmZo6&rank=2
  • Propaganda: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274826.Propaganda?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=MJ0Jt4z7sR&rank=1
  • Supreme Injustice chapter on Citizens United: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110285.Supreme_Injustice?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=HesBhL4UNC&rank=1
  • The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74176.The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=FMaV9bgi7L&rank=2
  • Corruption is legal in America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&t=248s
  • The Persuaders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRv8syM-zy8

HUME QUOTE:
Nothing appears more surprizing to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and the implicit submission, with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers. When we enquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that, as Force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is therefore, on opinion only that government is founded; and this maxim extends to the most despotic and most military governments, as well as to the most free and most popular. The soldan of Egypt, or the emperor of Rome, might drive his harmless subjects, like brute beasts, against their sentiments and inclination: But he must, at least, have led his mamalukes, or prætorian bands, like men, by their opinion.

DOUGLAS QUOTE:
But a change has now come over the affairs of mankind. Walled cities and empires have become unfashionable. The arm of commerce has borne away the gates of the strong city. Intelligence is penetrating the darkest corners of the globe. It makes its pathway over and under the sea, as well as on the earth. Wind, steam, and lightning are its chartered agents. Oceans no longer divide, but link nations together. From Boston to London is now a holiday excursion. Space is comparatively annihilated. -- Thoughts expressed on one side of the Atlantic are distinctly heard on the other.The far off and almost fabulous Pacific rolls in grandeur at our feet. The Celestial Empire, the mystery of ages, is being solved. The fiat of the Almighty, "Let there be Light," has not yet spent its force. No abuse, no outrage whether in taste, sport or avarice, can now hide ...

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04/23/23 • 66 min

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The Fourth Way - (282)S11E9/5: A Morality of Being

This episode explores the moral system which not only provides us purpose, but secures it as well.

0:00 - Preface
11:30 - Introduction
18:15 - Incoherence of Current Moral Theories
19:50 - Virtue Ethics & Arbitrariness
20:55 - Consequentialism & Arbitrariness
21:55 - Deontological & Arbitrariness
24:15 - Virtue Ethics & Egoism
30:50 - Deontology & Egoism
33:00 - Consequentialism & Egoism
37:35 - How does the resurrection fix arbitrariness and egoism?
39:10 - Purpose and existence in creation
42:10 - Separation from purpose and existence
45:15 - What the resurrection gets us - theosis
52:10 - Existence and pure nature are required for purpose and morality
57:50 - Privation theory of evil
1:02:50 - Isn't hope in resurrection a self-centered hope?
1:11:35 - Resurrection prevents the sacrifice of other
1:21:45 - Means are concomitant with their ends
1:23:20 - Conclusion
1:25:45 - Implications on Christian Anarchism and Othering

  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864
  • Video Interview Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1tsRIJQCw&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=12
  • Necessity of the Resurrection Article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/a-morality-of-being
  • Christian Anarchism: A Political Commentary on the Gospel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7106065-christian-anarchism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Fiu9MyYhqw&rank=1
  • How Did Sin Originate in a Perfect World? discuss essences and adjoining to God through theosis: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/how-did-sin-originate-in-a-perfect-world
  • (96) S6E4 Means and Ends: Purposing: rooting purpose rather than creating it, and how purpose is relational
    https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/means-and-ends-purposing
  • Hitchens vs. Hitchens Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlskhOlYBY
  • Making Sense out of Suffering: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/5813894879
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This episode explores the moral system which not only provides us purpose, but secures it as well.

0:00 - Preface
11:30 - Introduction
18:15 - Incoherence of Current Moral Theories
19:50 - Virtue Ethics & Arbitrariness
20:55 - Consequentialism & Arbitrariness
21:55 - Deontological & Arbitrariness
24:15 - Virtue Ethics & Egoism
30:50 - Deontology & Egoism
33:00 - Consequentialism & Egoism
37:35 - How does the resurrection fix arbitrariness and egoism?
39:10 - Purpose and existence in creation
42:10 - Separation from purpose and existence
45:15 - What the resurrection gets us - theosis
52:10 - Existence and pure nature are required for purpose and morality
57:50 - Privation theory of evil
1:02:50 - Isn't hope in resurrection a self-centered hope?
1:11:35 - Resurrection prevents the sacrifice of other
1:21:45 - Means are concomitant with their ends
1:23:20 - Conclusion
1:25:45 - Implications on Christian Anarchism and Othering

  • A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
  • Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/
  • Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour
  • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber
  • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/
  • Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/
  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
  • Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864
  • Video Interview Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1tsRIJQCw&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=12
  • Necessity of the Resurrection Article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/a-morality-of-being
  • Christian Anarchism: A Political Commentary on the Gospel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7106065-christian-anarchism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Fiu9MyYhqw&rank=1
  • How Did Sin Originate in a Perfect World? discuss essences and adjoining to God through theosis: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/how-did-sin-originate-in-a-perfect-world
  • (96) S6E4 Means and Ends: Purposing: rooting purpose rather than creating it, and how purpose is relational
    https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/means-and-ends-purposing
  • Hitchens vs. Hitchens Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlskhOlYBY
  • Making Sense out of Suffering: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/5813894879
Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Phillip Mast
  • patrick H
  • Laverne Miller
  • Jesse Killion
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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10/21/23 • 92 min

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