(3) S1E3The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Historical Evidence
08/17/19 • 42 min
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- My site with quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-4-teaching-of-the-early-church
- “The Early Church on Killing:" https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564738154&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Phillip Mast
- patrick H
- Laverne Miller
- Jesse Killion
- A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- Support us through Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thefourthway
- My site with quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-4-teaching-of-the-early-church
- “The Early Church on Killing:" https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564738154&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Phillip Mast
- patrick H
- Laverne Miller
- Jesse Killion
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(2) S1E2The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Biblical Evidence
The best resource I can currently recommend on this topic is "Jesus the Pacifist" by Matthew Fleischer. The book will be released early next year. It is a fantastic look that digs into Jesus, his actions, his specific teachings, and the implications of all that he did. The book is particularly helpful for the brand of Christians who love to have verse wars and proof-text everything. Since the Bible doesn't specifically lay out all versions of pacifism (though it leans more that way than the way of allowing violence), proof-texting Christians think they can ignore a call to non-violence. Fleischer does a fantastic job of showing us how nonviolence pervades the teaching and revelation of Christ and digs under the surface of the numerous, explicit teachings and actions.
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- Revelation word study on blood: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JCGWqOo71MYmTuvJ354_JRx6FZVpOndj
- My site listing all the Church Father quotes I could find, focusing mostly on quotes prior to the Edict of Milan: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16bft8PtcyLns1JCrO-QUbBR8QEHOO413
- The Early Church on Killing (book with pertinent quotations on all violence from before 300 AD, including abortion, capital punishment, warfare, self-defense, etc): https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564648394&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Tim Mackie's discussion of God's wrath (transcript): https://thebibleproject.com/podcast/day-lord-question-response/transcript/
- Tim Mackie's six part series on God's wrath: https://thebibleproject.simplecast.com/episodes/903c95d5-903c95d5
- Interview with Mackie on God's wrath and nonviolence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWDGYaIjWsM
- Daniel 7:13-14 and the Son of Man ascending on the clouds and being ascribed divine attributes and position: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A13-14&version=NIV
- Phillip Mast
- patrick H
- Laverne Miller
- Jesse Killion
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(4) S1E4 The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Logic and Intuition
- A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/
- Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751
- “Men Against Fire”: https://www.amazon.com/Men-Against-Fire-Problem-Command-ebook/dp/B00A8I385I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=s.l.a.+marshall&qid=1564776265&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- “On Killing”: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/B0056NVXXO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=on+killing&qid=1564776301&s=gateway&sr=8-3
- Killing from the Inside Out: Moral Injury and Just War: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Inside-Out-Moral-Injury-ebook/dp/B00NVN93EM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=killing+from+the+inside+out&qid=1568229887&s=gateway&sr=8-1
- Is Just War Theory sustainable or idealistic (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/just-how-realistic-is-just-war-theory-the-case-for-christian-rea/10099656
- The Sacrifices of War and the Sacrifice of Christ (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-sacrifices-of-war-and-the-sacrifice-of-christ/10098368
- You Say You Want a Revolution: https://web.archive.org/web/20170320235417/http://udquickly.udayton.edu/2012/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/
- “Why Civil Resistance Works” research: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820
- TED Talk discussing the conclusions of "Why Civil Resistance Works”: https://www.scienceofnonviolence.org/
- The many works of Gene Sharp: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gene+sharp&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802816150/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
- Anatomy of a Hybrid (html and can print as PDF) if you can’t find on Amazon: https://www.gospeltruth.net/verduin/hybrid.htm
- Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History on torture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRv4NZzBKw
- Historical reflections on Human intuition not to kill: https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvs
- Drugs in the Military: https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2011/01/militarys-drug-policy-threatens-troops-health-doctors-say/48321/
- Broken Warrior Series on Military Health Issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20110818222307/https://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110121_4378.php/
- Is Nonviolence Naive (Answering Questions Against Nonviolence): https://sojo.net/magazine/july-2018/nonviolence-naive
*I have learned a lot about David Grossman since recording this episode. While I don't know that his character necessarily compromises any of the information presented here, I would avoid using him as a resource in the future as that could prove difficult for some to accept. The information in this episode doesn't particularly concern me as I've seen much of the evidence presented from other sources. That being said, you may want to do more research on Grossman and more looking into the information. A fun podcast to listen to about him can be found below, though you should be warned that the language is pretty explicit.
The Fourth Way - (3) S1E3The Case for Christian Nonviolence: Historical Evidence
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Welcome back to the Fourth Way podcast. This is our 3rd episode in our series Making a Positive Case for Christian Nonviolence. In the first episode I told you a little bit about my story and where I came from, and how uncovering some of my biases and presuppositions was was, vital for me to understand the case for non violence and to accept that. And then in the last episode, I talked a little bit about the Biblical framework, both Old Testament and
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