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27 - How to calculate Intrinsic Value using Discounted Cash Flows (DCF)

05/19/19 • 29 min

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How to calculate Intrinsic Value using Discounted Cash Flows (DCF) - Show Outline

The full show notes for this episode are available at https://www.diyinvesting.org/Episode27

What is Intrinsic Value?
  • The present value of all future free cash flows produced by a business.
Time Value of Money
  • Cash today is worth more than cash in the future.
  • Therefore, you need to discount future cash flows to be worth less than their stated value.
The simplified discounted cash flow formula
  • Intrinsic Value = Owner's Earnings/(Discount Rate - Growth Rate)
    • Discount Rates: 10% (nominal) or 6.5% (real)
    • Growth Rates: Bounded between 0% and 5%
    • Owner's Earnings: Manually calculated by adjusting Net Income
Complex Discounted Cash Flow Calculations
  • When to use:
    • Company is in a high-growth phase of its business (has not yet saturated the market)
    • You are highly confident in short-term projections and the business is predictable
    • Reported earnings have a lot of temporary adjustments that make the next few years not match the long-term
  • When not to use:
    • Almost always
    • Why?
      • Complex calculations can trick you into thinking you have a better understanding of the business than you do
      • You'll likely rely heavily on growth and fast growth assumptions are very risky to make
References:
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How to calculate Intrinsic Value using Discounted Cash Flows (DCF) - Show Outline

The full show notes for this episode are available at https://www.diyinvesting.org/Episode27

What is Intrinsic Value?
  • The present value of all future free cash flows produced by a business.
Time Value of Money
  • Cash today is worth more than cash in the future.
  • Therefore, you need to discount future cash flows to be worth less than their stated value.
The simplified discounted cash flow formula
  • Intrinsic Value = Owner's Earnings/(Discount Rate - Growth Rate)
    • Discount Rates: 10% (nominal) or 6.5% (real)
    • Growth Rates: Bounded between 0% and 5%
    • Owner's Earnings: Manually calculated by adjusting Net Income
Complex Discounted Cash Flow Calculations
  • When to use:
    • Company is in a high-growth phase of its business (has not yet saturated the market)
    • You are highly confident in short-term projections and the business is predictable
    • Reported earnings have a lot of temporary adjustments that make the next few years not match the long-term
  • When not to use:
    • Almost always
    • Why?
      • Complex calculations can trick you into thinking you have a better understanding of the business than you do
      • You'll likely rely heavily on growth and fast growth assumptions are very risky to make
References:

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26 - Owner's Earnings: Why Net Income or EPS can be deceiving

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Owner's Earnings - Show Outline

The full show notes for this episode are available at https://www.diyinvesting.org/Episode26

What is Net Income?
  • The total after-tax profits that a company earns in a year
What is EPS or Earnings per Share?
  • The After-Tax profits of a company divided by the total number of shares outstanding.
The problems with Net Income and EPS as a metric for investment
  • They are not comparable across different companies and industries.
  • Some companies are more capital intensive than others.
  • Net Income and EPS will overstate the economic "cash earnings" for capital intensive businesses that require large capital outlays on a regular basis.
Implications for the usefulness of P/E Ratios
  • Since P/E ratios are based on Net Income or Earnings per Share for the "E" component, they share the same problems.
  • P/E ratios are not comparable across industries or even companies within the same industry
Owner's Earnings - A better metric
  • Definition:
  • Owner's Earnings - Earnings that can be paid out in cash to shareholders without impacting the earning power of the business
How to calculate Owner's Earnings
  • Take Net Income and make some adjustments
  • Joshua Kennon's formula is the best that I have found. See link below in the references.
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