
11| What Are We Talking About When We Talk About Salvation | Gospel & Salvation III
12/20/17 • 49 min
Gospel is bigger than the "plan of Salvation" or bigger than the question of "where am I going to go when I die? Heaven or Hell?" The story of the Bible in big picture is to restore the original “Garden of Eden”, where we were able to walk with God daily, intimately, unashamed. Jesus came to restore that intimacy for all of us. Jesus breaks down tribalism. We look at denominations, and doctrine, and how we tend to leave tension earlier than we should. Check out the Welcoming Prayer, posted on Episode 6 post on www.desirelinepodcast.com/listen. Contemplative prayer connected to focus, and Philippians 4:6+7. Cultural understanding of individualized culture that we live in in the West, and using Susette's experience with her husbands family in Mexican-American culture in examples of family centered/collectivist culture that's closer to 1st century Judaism. How have we interpreted the idea of salvation through our Western eyes, while trying to live by the Bible, who's authors do not come from a Western American perspective culturally?
“Despite its protests to the contrary, modern Christianity has become willy-nilly the religion of the state and the economic status quo. Because it has been so exclusively dedicated to incanting anemic souls into heaven, it has, by a kind of ignorance, been made the tool of much earthly villainy. It has, for the most part, stood silently by, while a predatory economy has ravaged the world, destroyed its natural beauty and health, divided and plundered its human communities and households. It has flown the flag and chanted the slogans of empire. Wendell Berry
N.T. Wright Book: The Day the Revolution Began
Here's some video/podcast recommendations for N.T. Wright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1GSVR0Tdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AukgNlAgiI
Scot McKnight: What is the Gospel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HdyhUQ3Krs
Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-n-t-wright-podcast/id447840163?mt=2
If you're interested in connecting with Susette re: online therapy (if you live in California), you can contact her here: www.susettemagana.com/contact www.desirelinepodcast.com/connect
Gospel is bigger than the "plan of Salvation" or bigger than the question of "where am I going to go when I die? Heaven or Hell?" The story of the Bible in big picture is to restore the original “Garden of Eden”, where we were able to walk with God daily, intimately, unashamed. Jesus came to restore that intimacy for all of us. Jesus breaks down tribalism. We look at denominations, and doctrine, and how we tend to leave tension earlier than we should. Check out the Welcoming Prayer, posted on Episode 6 post on www.desirelinepodcast.com/listen. Contemplative prayer connected to focus, and Philippians 4:6+7. Cultural understanding of individualized culture that we live in in the West, and using Susette's experience with her husbands family in Mexican-American culture in examples of family centered/collectivist culture that's closer to 1st century Judaism. How have we interpreted the idea of salvation through our Western eyes, while trying to live by the Bible, who's authors do not come from a Western American perspective culturally?
“Despite its protests to the contrary, modern Christianity has become willy-nilly the religion of the state and the economic status quo. Because it has been so exclusively dedicated to incanting anemic souls into heaven, it has, by a kind of ignorance, been made the tool of much earthly villainy. It has, for the most part, stood silently by, while a predatory economy has ravaged the world, destroyed its natural beauty and health, divided and plundered its human communities and households. It has flown the flag and chanted the slogans of empire. Wendell Berry
N.T. Wright Book: The Day the Revolution Began
Here's some video/podcast recommendations for N.T. Wright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1GSVR0Tdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AukgNlAgiI
Scot McKnight: What is the Gospel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HdyhUQ3Krs
Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-n-t-wright-podcast/id447840163?mt=2
If you're interested in connecting with Susette re: online therapy (if you live in California), you can contact her here: www.susettemagana.com/contact www.desirelinepodcast.com/connect
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10| The Gospel and the Kingdom of Heaven | Gospel & Salvation II
What does "heaven" mean? What does "going to heaven when you die" mean? We take a look at the Gospel, Gospels, heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven. Is heaven a place that you go when you die? Or is the Kingdom of Heaven here? We talk about how Jesus, in the Gospels talks about His message of the Kingdom, and how His coming completes God's plan for new creation. Both tell stories of spiritual development and how our perspective started to change when we began to study the bible in college and read through the whole thing. There was a time when Susette began to be allow herself, through invitation from pastors and professors to ask questions and change her thinking. N.T. Wright quote: "Heaven is important, but it's not the end of the world."
The Gospel: an invitation to participate with God the King in new creation that was introduced when Jesus came, loved, taught, died, and rose from the dead, conquering death, and ascended to the Father. Our RESPONSE to the Gospel is often viewed as the Good News itself. It's not "you accept Jesus into your heart and he forgives your sins" (which is true) but not the central message
Jesus is the King. Our response to this good news is: Confessing: Confess our sins, recognize what we've done. Repenting: We turn from what we worshiped before. Believing: We believe He's the King, and new creation is here. Following: We follow Him and engage in relationship for our life.
Cognitive theory: Piaget https://www.simplypsychology.org/piaget.html
Assimilation and Accommodation Jean Piaget (1952; see also Wadsworth, 2004) viewed intellectual growth as a process of adaptation (adjustment) to the world. This happens through:
Assimilation – Which is using an existing schema to deal with a new object or situation.
Accommodation – This happens when the existing schema (knowledge) does not work, and needs to be changed to deal with a new object or situation.
Equilibration – This is the force which moves development along. Piaget believed that cognitive development did not progress at a steady rate, but rather in leaps and bounds. Equilibrium occurs when a child's schemas can deal with most new information through assimilation. However, an unpleasant state of disequilibrium occurs when new information cannot be fitted into existing schemas (assimilation).
Equilibration is the force which drives the learning process as we do not like to be frustrated and will seek to restore balance by mastering the new challenge (accommodation). Once the new information is acquired the process of assimilation with the new schema will continue until the next time we need to make an adjustment to it.
Jean Piaget's concept of adaptation
Example of Assimilation A 2-year-old child sees a man who is bald on top of his head and has long frizzy hair on the sides. To his father’s horror, the toddler shouts “Clown, clown” (Siegler et al., 2003).
Example of Accommodation In the “clown” incident, the boy’s father explained to his son that the man was not a clown and that even though his hair was like a clown’s, he wasn’t wearing a funny costume and wasn’t doing silly things to make people laugh.
With this new knowledge, the boy was able to change his schema of “clown” and make this idea fit better to a standard concept of “clown”. New information includes disorientation, because it shakes up what we've always thought was truth.
Quote from Frank Viola, "Pagan Christianity" “As stated previously, the sinner’s prayer eventually replaced the biblical role of water baptism. Though it is touted as gospel today, this prayer developed only recently. D. L. Moody was the first to employ it. Moody used this “model” of prayer when training his evangelistic coworkers.
But it did not reach popular usage until the 1950s with Billy Graham’s Peace with God tract and later with Campus Crusade for Christ’s Four Spiritual Laws. There is nothing particularly wrong with it. Certainly, God will respond to the heartfelt prayers of any individual who reaches out to Him in faith. However, it should not replace water baptism as the outward instrument for conversion-initiation.
The phrase personal Savior is yet another recent innovation that grew out of the ethos of nineteenth-century American revivalism. It originated in the mid-1800s to be exact. But it grew to popular parlance by Charles Fuller (1887–1968). Fuller literally used the phrase thousands of times in his incredibly popular Old Fashioned Revival Hour radio program that aired from 1937 to 1968. His program reached from North America to every spot on the globe. At the time of his death, it was heard on more than 650 radio stations around the world.”
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12| Salvation As Knowing God | Gospel & Salvation IV
Continuing episode arc around The Gospel and Salvation. If you are just joining the Podcast for this episode, you may want to start at episode 9: The Gospel & the Gospels for the beginning of this arc.
New Perspective on Paul defined, a new perspective on Paul's letters in the bible and how they've been read since the Reformation. A quick background on why the Reformation was important, to correct the corruption at that time, an example of this being indulgences. Martin Luther also focused justification by faith alone (sola fide), faith being not earned by works, but given freely by God, once we believe. Pendulums can swing too far, when a good correction happens. It's important for us to sit in tension in the midst of truth.
NT Wright: "We must stop giving 19th- century answers to 16th-century questions and start asking 21st-century questions listening for 1st-century answers."
“Each generation has to wrestle afresh with the question of Jesus, not least its biblical roots if it is to be truly the church at all."
Good news: the New Perspective starts with God and the world, instead of me. We're starting to hear sermons (Mike Erre from Vox OC & John Mark Comer from Bridgetown Church in Portland) In Act 17:16-34, Paul gives a speech on God as creator, instead of salvation for individual sins.
See this pic of the firmament:
Firmament description, and how Genesis 1 comes alive when we read the bible the way the authors viewed it. An article from Rick Watts:http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Bible-Science/6-02Watts.html
Knowing (Hebrew): "Yada" in Hebrew means "knowing" but in an intimate sense, not just intellectually.
When we talk about "Salvation" we're talking about relationship, that we're in a vulnerable standing with another person (a human being, or with God).
Embodied participation is included in this relationship. Embodiment: our bodies matter, and we live out our salvation with our bodies. Focusing, praying, committing, repenting in a way that includes our body in relationship with God.
Gospel: that God is redeeming the Earth and all of Creation, and SALVATION is our RESPONSE to the Gospel.
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