
Be MORE Than A Podcaster
11/13/24 • 17 min
Circle Sessions: Be More Than A Podcaster - Episode Overview
In this enlightening episode of "The Circle Sessions," host Brett Johnson begins by revisiting an idea brought forth by Eric Nuzum during his podcasting masterclass at Radio Days Europe a few years ago. The episode grapples with the evolving identity of podcasters, urging content creators to think beyond their conventional roles.
Key Concepts: Beyond Being Just a Podcaster
Brett kicks off the episode highlighting two significant ideas from Nuzum’s masterclass:
Don’t Just Be a Podcaster
Nuzum proposes that creators should consider themselves as "audio makers," broadening their focus beyond simply podcasting platforms. This shift allows for greater adaptability to new trends and technologies.
Community Building
Emphasizing that podcasters are not in the audio business but the community building business, Nuzum underscores the importance of creating hubs for listeners who are passionate about specific topics.
Special Guest: Matty Staudt
Joining Brett for this segment is Matty Staudt, a seasoned podcaster with over 17 years of experience and the president and founder of Jam Street Media. Matty shares valuable insights from his journey in both radio and podcasting, emphasizing the transformational nature of podcasts in the business and community engagement landscapes.
Interview Highlights
Matty explores the trajectory from traditional radio to the expansive world of podcasting, noting how the term "podcasting" has evolved from a niche, almost frowned-upon label to a mainstream, billion-dollar industry. He recounts the early days at Stitcher, where they preferred the term "on-demand audio" to distance themselves from the then-negative connotations of podcasting.
- The Transition from Radio to Podcasting: Matty shares his personal shift from radio to podcasting 15 years ago. He discusses how this move was initially met with skepticism but has ultimately proven to be a groundbreaking venture.
- Beyond Content Creation: Emphasizing the importance of visibility, Matty asserts that even the best podcast is like an unseen masterpiece if not marketed properly. Highlighting his own educational pursuit, a master's in digital marketing, he advocates for an integrated approach to building and promoting podcasts.
- Community as the Crux: For Matty, the essence of successful podcasting lies in fostering a loyal community. He explains how podcast listeners often become dedicated followers, a trait highly attractive to advertisers.
Challenges and Realizations
The conversation touches on the initial hurdles businesses might face when embracing podcasting. Matty observes that many brands he works with already possess a sophisticated understanding of their audience as a "tribe." This existing relationship only amplifies the podcast's potential to deepen community engagement.
Case Study: Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Matty recounts an interesting case study involving one of his early clients, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, demonstrating how an institution's values can be communicated effectively through podcasting. By producing content like “Does College Matter?” and “Zip Code Economies,” the bank was able to reshape its public image and extend its influence beyond traditional banking narratives.
Technological Evolution and Future Prospects
Reflecting on the technological advancements in podcasting, from the pre-iPhone era to modern-day streaming, Matty illustrates how improved accessibility has broadened the audience base. He anticipates future technological innovations that could further expand the interactive capacities of podcasts, moving beyond the "silent film" stage to more dynamic content forms.
Guidance for Aspiring Podcasters and Brands
A significant portion of the discussion addresses prospective podcasters and businesses contemplating this medium. Matty offers balanced advice, stressing that while podcasting has immense potential for community building and brand extension, it requires commitment. He cautions against entering the podcasting world with short-term goals or unrealistic expectations about immediate sales impact.
Breaking Conventional Rules
Brett and Matty explore the creative potential in podcasting, encouraging new entrants to experiment and push boundaries. While traditional formats have their place, the most memorable podcasts often break the mold, integrating narrative, interview, and other innovative elements.
Final Thoughts<...
Circle Sessions: Be More Than A Podcaster - Episode Overview
In this enlightening episode of "The Circle Sessions," host Brett Johnson begins by revisiting an idea brought forth by Eric Nuzum during his podcasting masterclass at Radio Days Europe a few years ago. The episode grapples with the evolving identity of podcasters, urging content creators to think beyond their conventional roles.
Key Concepts: Beyond Being Just a Podcaster
Brett kicks off the episode highlighting two significant ideas from Nuzum’s masterclass:
Don’t Just Be a Podcaster
Nuzum proposes that creators should consider themselves as "audio makers," broadening their focus beyond simply podcasting platforms. This shift allows for greater adaptability to new trends and technologies.
Community Building
Emphasizing that podcasters are not in the audio business but the community building business, Nuzum underscores the importance of creating hubs for listeners who are passionate about specific topics.
Special Guest: Matty Staudt
Joining Brett for this segment is Matty Staudt, a seasoned podcaster with over 17 years of experience and the president and founder of Jam Street Media. Matty shares valuable insights from his journey in both radio and podcasting, emphasizing the transformational nature of podcasts in the business and community engagement landscapes.
Interview Highlights
Matty explores the trajectory from traditional radio to the expansive world of podcasting, noting how the term "podcasting" has evolved from a niche, almost frowned-upon label to a mainstream, billion-dollar industry. He recounts the early days at Stitcher, where they preferred the term "on-demand audio" to distance themselves from the then-negative connotations of podcasting.
- The Transition from Radio to Podcasting: Matty shares his personal shift from radio to podcasting 15 years ago. He discusses how this move was initially met with skepticism but has ultimately proven to be a groundbreaking venture.
- Beyond Content Creation: Emphasizing the importance of visibility, Matty asserts that even the best podcast is like an unseen masterpiece if not marketed properly. Highlighting his own educational pursuit, a master's in digital marketing, he advocates for an integrated approach to building and promoting podcasts.
- Community as the Crux: For Matty, the essence of successful podcasting lies in fostering a loyal community. He explains how podcast listeners often become dedicated followers, a trait highly attractive to advertisers.
Challenges and Realizations
The conversation touches on the initial hurdles businesses might face when embracing podcasting. Matty observes that many brands he works with already possess a sophisticated understanding of their audience as a "tribe." This existing relationship only amplifies the podcast's potential to deepen community engagement.
Case Study: Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Matty recounts an interesting case study involving one of his early clients, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, demonstrating how an institution's values can be communicated effectively through podcasting. By producing content like “Does College Matter?” and “Zip Code Economies,” the bank was able to reshape its public image and extend its influence beyond traditional banking narratives.
Technological Evolution and Future Prospects
Reflecting on the technological advancements in podcasting, from the pre-iPhone era to modern-day streaming, Matty illustrates how improved accessibility has broadened the audience base. He anticipates future technological innovations that could further expand the interactive capacities of podcasts, moving beyond the "silent film" stage to more dynamic content forms.
Guidance for Aspiring Podcasters and Brands
A significant portion of the discussion addresses prospective podcasters and businesses contemplating this medium. Matty offers balanced advice, stressing that while podcasting has immense potential for community building and brand extension, it requires commitment. He cautions against entering the podcasting world with short-term goals or unrealistic expectations about immediate sales impact.
Breaking Conventional Rules
Brett and Matty explore the creative potential in podcasting, encouraging new entrants to experiment and push boundaries. While traditional formats have their place, the most memorable podcasts often break the mold, integrating narrative, interview, and other innovative elements.
Final Thoughts<...
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Engaging Your Audience: The Power of Edutainment in Digital Marketing
Why do you think 66% of social media users find edutainment to be the most engaging type of brand content? How can this statistic influence a content creator’s strategy?
The episode kicks off with Brett and Tonnisha dissecting the term "edutainment." Although they are unsure of who originally coined the term, they agree that it's a blend of education and entertainment—an approach that has been around longer than most people realize. Think about learning the ABCs through a catchy song; that's edutainment in its simplest form. Tonnisha explains that edutainment has become a popular strategy in social media marketing and content creation, with a focus on engaging audiences by making educational content entertaining.
Sprout Social's Report on Edutainment
Tonnisha refers to a Sprout Social report highlighting that 66% of social media users find edutainment to be the most engaging type of brand content. This statistic underscores the effectiveness of this approach in capturing and maintaining the audience’s attention. Brands that incorporate fun elements into their educational content can simplify complex topics, making them more accessible and enjoyable.
Local Examples of Edutainment
To illustrate the concept, Tonnisha points to the Columbus Library, which has effectively used edutainment to change public perception. Rather than focusing solely on books, the library’s social media content showcases various services it offers, such as a business center for small business owners.
True Crime Podcasts as Edutainment
Tonnisha’s love for true crime podcasts provides another insightful example. She explains that true crime podcasts strike a balance between education and entertainment. Audiences learn about real stories and investigative techniques, while the narrative style keeps them hooked. She cites Payne Lindsay’s "Up and Vanished" and the famous podcast "Serial" as prime examples. These podcasts not only entertain but have also led to real-world impacts, such as the overturning of Adnan Syed’s sentencing, showcasing the power of edutainment.
Three Steps to Creating Quality Edutainment Content
Tonnisha shares three essential steps for creating engaging edutainment content:
- Speak Confidently About What You Know: Focus on topics within your area of expertise. This allows you to create authentic and informative content easily. For example, Tonnisha feels confident discussing social media and email marketing but would steer clear of SEO, an area outside her primary expertise.
- Be Authentic: Authenticity is crucial in today’s saturated social media environment. Being true to yourself will resonate more with your audience. If you’re not a natural jokester, don’t force it. Authenticity builds trust, and as Tonnisha illustrates with the example of The Daily podcast’s host Michael Barboa, consistency in style and tone can create a loyal following.
- Don't Overthink It: Keep the content creation process simple. You don’t need elaborate setups or expensive props. Often, raw and unpolished content can be more relatable and engaging. Brett and Tonnisha emphasize that pushing boundaries can be beneficial but should be done within the scope of your brand's identity and values.
Expanding Your Content Creation Horizons
The discussion touches on the importance of experimenting with different forms of content. Brett, for instance, talks about his venture into video content this year, despite it being outside his comfort zone. They both agree that trying new formats—whether it’s video, behind-the-scenes looks, or different styles of podcasts—can invigorate your content strategy.
Audience and Branding Considerations
Tonnisha advises considering your audience’s preferences when planning content. Not everyone may be on board with current trends like TikTok dances, and that’s okay. Your content should align with what your audience finds entertaining and educational. Brett adds that staying true to your brand is crucial. If a certain style or type of content doesn’t fit your brand, it’s perfectly acceptable to say no.
Key Moments
00:00 Columbus library excels with fun educational content.
04:33 True crime podcasts educate, entertain, and inform.
07:30 Focus on content topics within your expertise.
12:40 Include video in podcast sessions for authenticity.
14:23 Push boundaries with creative, educational content creation.
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Unlocking Engagement: How Minichat Can Boost Your Podcast Audience
We talk about an innovative digital marketing tool called Minichat and how it can be leveraged to enhance podcast engagement and boost conversions.
Tonnisha’s expertise and firsthand experiences with Minichat provide listeners with an in-depth understanding of its functionalities and applications, especially within the realm of social media.
What is Minichat?
Tonnisha explains how she stumbled upon Minichat while observing automated direct message interactions on Instagram. Minichat is described as a cloud-based chatbot platform that helps manage customer interactions across multiple channels, primarily within the metaverse—Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp.
After noticing automated responses on large Instagram accounts, she investigated whether Sprout Social, with whom she is an agency partner, offered a similar solution. When they didn’t, her research led her to Minichat. Intrigued by its potential, she began experimenting with it to understand how it automates engagement and interactions on social media platforms.
Tonnisha provides a thorough explanation of how Minichat operates. The platform automates responses to comments, messages, and inquiries from Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram. This is particularly useful for driving engagement and boosting conversions. She gives an example of how podcasters can use Minichat to automatically send a DM with a link to the latest episode when someone comments a specific keyword on their post.
By connecting social media profiles (such as Instagram), users can take advantage of Minichat’s AI-assisted setup and pre-made workflows and automations. These features make the platform accessible even to those who aren’t highly tech-savvy. Workflows can be customized for different episodes or campaigns, making it a versatile tool for ongoing engagement.
Tonnisha compares the free and paid versions of Minichat, noting that while the free version is effective, the paid version offers more convenience, particularly in managing multiple workflows. The free version requires manual updates for every new post, while the paid version allows for a more seamless and automated experience.
Tonnisha suggests various ways podcasters can use Minichat to grow their audience and engagement. For instance, asking followers to comment specific keywords can drive subscribers to the podcast, add them to mailing lists, or increase YouTube views. Minichat enables the setup of different links and workflows, providing a robust tool for multifaceted engagement strategies.
Brett and Tonnisha discuss using the free version of Minichat as a tool to perform A/B testing of different keywords and engagement strategies. This includes experimenting with posting schedules and seeing how different days affect engagement. They emphasize the potential for gaining valuable insights into follower behavior without necessarily committing to the paid version initially.
While Minichat automates initial interactions, Brett and Tonnisha stress the importance of continuing human engagement. Tonnisha shares that she still manually likes comments to show a personal touch.
Tonnisha notes that Minichat can serve as a modern-day social media community manager, automating responses and interactions. However, users should remain vigilant to ensure the automation aligns with the content and context of follower comments.
Key Moments
00:00 Instagram DMs via bots, not manual effort.
06:52 Paid version enhances efficiency; costs around $15/month.
08:03 Free version requires manual workflow updates; paid doesn't.
11:29 Test posting days to optimize podcast engagement.
16:16 Curious about future of bots in social media.
17:19 Engage daily on social media, balancing AI.
21:38 Networking leads to future opportunities and connections.
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Each week, one of The Circle of Experts talks about critical aspects of growing your podcast. We focus on marketing, social media, monetization, website design, and implementation of all of these to help you make the best podcast possible.
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Transcript
Brett Johnson [00:00:05]:
Welcome to the Circle Sessions featuring the Circle of Experts. Each week, one of the Circle of Experts joins me to talk about critical aspects of growing your podcast. We focus on marketing, social media, monetization, and website design to help you implement all of these together. The circle of experts are Yasmine Robles from Robles Designs, Tonnisha English-Amamoo of TJE Communications, and Don The Idea Guy. I'm Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy from Circle 270
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