
Episode 12: Safety Skills, Game Theory and Suboptimal Choice with Danielle Watson, M.Sc., BCBA
06/04/21 • 83 min
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In this episode I chat with Danielle Watson, a Ph.D. Candidate at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology and former co-host of the influential podcast: The Controversial Exchange. We dive into her recent study on safety skills and explore some of the cool things she is working on towards her end goal of being the next Dr. Watson.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
- BACB: 1.5 Learning
- IBAO: 1.5 Learning
- QABA: 1.5 General
Show Notes:
- The Daily BA and The Controversial Exchange: https://www.thedailyba.com/tce
- The Convergence of Human and Animal Training and Technology Conference: https://chattcon.com
- The Chicago School of Professional Psychology: https://www.thechicagoschool.edu/online/programs/ph-d-applied-behavior-analysis-credential-track
- St. Joseph’s University Criminal Justice Program: https://www.sju.edu/degree-programs/criminal-justice-ms
- The Do Better Movement (Listen. Learn. Lead.): https://www.facebook.com/groups/dobettermovement
- Thomas Zentall, Ph.D.: https://psychology.as.uky.edu/users/zentall
References:
- Locey, M. L., Safin, V., & Rachlin, H. (2013). Social discounting and the prisoner’s dilemma game. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 99(1), 85-97.
- Molet, M., Miller, H. C., Laude, J. R. et al. (2012). Decision making by humans in a behavioral task: Do humans, like pigeons, show suboptimal choice?. Learning & Behavior, 40, 439–447. https://doi.org/10.3758/s13420-012-0065-7
- Morford, Z. H., & Cihon, T. M. (2013). Developing an experimental analysis of metacontingencies: Considerations regarding cooperation in a four-person prisoner’s dilemma game. Behavior and Social Issues, 22, 5-20.
- Yi, R., Johnson, M. W., & Bickel, W. K. (2005). Relationship between cooperation in an iterated prisoner’s dilemma game and the discounting of hypothetical outcomes. Learning & Behavior, 33(3), 324-336.
In this episode I chat with Danielle Watson, a Ph.D. Candidate at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology and former co-host of the influential podcast: The Controversial Exchange. We dive into her recent study on safety skills and explore some of the cool things she is working on towards her end goal of being the next Dr. Watson.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
- BACB: 1.5 Learning
- IBAO: 1.5 Learning
- QABA: 1.5 General
Show Notes:
- The Daily BA and The Controversial Exchange: https://www.thedailyba.com/tce
- The Convergence of Human and Animal Training and Technology Conference: https://chattcon.com
- The Chicago School of Professional Psychology: https://www.thechicagoschool.edu/online/programs/ph-d-applied-behavior-analysis-credential-track
- St. Joseph’s University Criminal Justice Program: https://www.sju.edu/degree-programs/criminal-justice-ms
- The Do Better Movement (Listen. Learn. Lead.): https://www.facebook.com/groups/dobettermovement
- Thomas Zentall, Ph.D.: https://psychology.as.uky.edu/users/zentall
References:
- Locey, M. L., Safin, V., & Rachlin, H. (2013). Social discounting and the prisoner’s dilemma game. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 99(1), 85-97.
- Molet, M., Miller, H. C., Laude, J. R. et al. (2012). Decision making by humans in a behavioral task: Do humans, like pigeons, show suboptimal choice?. Learning & Behavior, 40, 439–447. https://doi.org/10.3758/s13420-012-0065-7
- Morford, Z. H., & Cihon, T. M. (2013). Developing an experimental analysis of metacontingencies: Considerations regarding cooperation in a four-person prisoner’s dilemma game. Behavior and Social Issues, 22, 5-20.
- Yi, R., Johnson, M. W., & Bickel, W. K. (2005). Relationship between cooperation in an iterated prisoner’s dilemma game and the discounting of hypothetical outcomes. Learning & Behavior, 33(3), 324-336.
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Episode 11: The Treatment of Life-Threatening Pica with Louis Busch, BST, ABS (H.C.), M.Ed., BCBA
In this episode I’m humbled to chat with one of Ontario’s best known behaviour analysts. Louis Busch talks about the great work he is doing at Toronto’s Centre for Addictions and Mental Health including a discussion of his case study about an individual struggling with severe pica.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
- BACB: 1.5 Learning
- IBAO: 1.5 Learning
- QABA: 1.5 General
Show Notes:
- George Brown College: https://www.georgebrown.ca/programs/honours-bachelor-of-behaviour-analysis-program-s302
- Andrew McNamara: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-mcnamara-ph-d-bcba-a0a38029
- Ken Hamilton: https://www.georgebrown.ca/health-sciences/health-wellness/faculty-directory
- CAMH: http://www.camh.ca
- Lisa Orsi (Louis’ Partner): https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-orsi-78107b17
References:
- Busch, L. P. A., Saini, V., Zorzos, C., et al. (2018). Treatment of life-threatening pica with 5-year follow-up. Advances in Neurodevelopmental Disorders, 2, 335-343. https://doi.org/10.1007/s41252-018-0053-9
- Donnelly, D. R., & Olczak, P. V. (1990). The effect of differential reinforcement of incompatible behaviors (DRI) on pica for cigarettes in person with intellectual disability. Behavior Modification, 14(1), 81-96.
- Foxx, R., & Martin, E. (1975). Treatment of scavenging behavior (coprophagy and pica) by overcorrection. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 13, 153-162.
- Iwata, B. A., Dorsey, M. F., Slifer, K. J., Bauman, K. E., & Richman, G. S. (1994). Toward a functional analysis of self‐injury. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 27(2), 197-209.
- Piazza, C. C., Fisher, W. W., Hanley, G. P., LeBlanc, L. A., Worsdell, A. S., Lindaur, S. E., & Keeney, K. M. (1998). Treatment of pica through multiple analyses of its reinforcing functions. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 31(2), 165-189.
- Vollmer, T. R., Marcus, B. A., Ringdahl, J. E., & Roane, H. S. (1995). Progressing from brief assessments to extended experimental analyses in the evaluation of aberrant behavior. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 28(4), 561-576.
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Episode 13: Behaviour Analysis and Psychotropic Medication with Dr. Alison Cox, Ph.D., BCBA-D
In episode 13 Ben chats with Dr. Alison Cox, BCBA-D, about her research on psychotropic medication including effects on behavioural function, side effects and more!
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
- BACB: 1.5 Learning
- IBAO: 1.5 Learning
- QABA: 1.5 General
Show Notes:
- Brock University: https://brocku.ca/social-sciences/applied-disability-studies/people-in-the-department/alison-cox
- Dr. Marc Lanovaz - The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episode: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-8-artificial-intelligence-and-behaviour-analysis-with-marc-lanovaz-phd-bcba-d
- Tom Freeman Course at FIT: https://abafit.coursewebs.com/cart/pageCourseInfo.aspx?Course_ID=BEHP1054&Section_ID=0&add_to_cart=0
References:
- Cox, A., Leung, J., Morgan, M-C & Anderson, B. (2021). Examining research trends in the treatment of adults with problem behavior and intellectual and developmental disabilities: A brief review. Behavioral Development, 26(1), 14-28.
- Cox, A. D. & Virues‐Ortega, J. (2016). Interactions between behavior function and psychotropic medication. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 49, 85-104. https://doi.org/10.1002/jaba.247
- Crosland, K. A., Zarcone, J. R., Lindauer, S. E., Valdovinos, M. G., Zarcone, T. J., Hellings, J. A., & Schroeder, S. R. (2003). Use of functional analysis methodology in the evaluation of medication effects. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 33(3), 271-279. https://doi.org/10.1023/a:1024402500425
- Fisher, W., Piazza, C. C., Page, T. J. (1989). Assessing independent and interactive effects of behavioral and pharmacologic interventions for a client with dual diagnoses. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 20(3), 241-250. https://doi.org/10.1016/0005-7916(89)90029-3
- Northup, J., Fusilier, I., Swanson, V., Huete, J., Bruce, T., Freeland, J., Gulley, V. & Edwards, S. (1999). Further analysis of the separate and interactive effects of methylphenidate and common classroom contingencies. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 32, 35-50. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1999.32-35
- Northup, J., Fusilier, I., Swanson, V., Roane, H. & Borrero, J. (1997). An evaluation of methylphenidate as a potential establishing operation for some common classroom reinforcers. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 30, 615-625. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1997.30-615
- Rapp, J. T., Swanson, G., Dornbusch, K. (2007). Temporary increases in problem behavior and sleep disruption following decreases in medication: A descriptive analysis of conditional rates. Behavior Modification, 31, 825-846. https://doi.org/10.1177/0145445507301653
- Valdovinos, M. G. (2019). Psychotropic medication in intellectual and developmental disabilities: Patterns of use and recommendations for monitoring effects. Current Developmental Disorders Reports, 6, 195–201. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40474-019-00179-5
- Valdovinos, M. G., Caruso, M., Roberts, C., Kim, G., Kennedy, C. H., Bodfish, J. (2005). Medical and behavioral symptoms as potential medication side effects in adults with developmental disabilities. American Journal of Mental Retardation, 110(3), 164-170. https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017(2005)110<164:MABSAP>2.0.CO;2
- Valdovinos, M. G., Schieber, E., McMahon, M. et al. (2017). Adverse side effects of psychotropic medication and challenging behavior: Pilot work assessing impact. Journal of Developmental and Physical Disabilities, 29, 969-982. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10882-017-9570-0
- van Haaren, F. & Weeden, M. (2013). Some guidelines for conducting research in applied behavioral pharmacology. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 46, 498-506.
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