Karma, Crisis, and Compensation: Session 133 with Brett DiNovi and Paul Gavoni

10/07/20 • 68 min

The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

Behavioral Karma: The 5 Scientific Laws of Life and Leadership* is the book that was just recently published by Brett DiNovi and Dr. Pauli Gavoni.

In this episode, we talked about what these five laws are, and how one can apply them to just about anything in life, and see positive outcomes as a result.

Because both of these gentlemen are previous guests on the show, we started off by catching up a bit. Paulie talked about joining up with Brett's company, Brett DiNovi and Associates, and Brett talked about how he and the rest of the folks at BDA responded to the challenges brought on by the coronavirus pandemic.

I also had a chance to pick their brains on a topic that I'm fascinated with: Compensating employees in a Pay-for-Performance model, an idea pioneered by William Abernathy (you can find all the books he wrote on this topic here*).

All and all, this was a fun and wide ranging discussion, and I think listeners will be able to get some neat takeaways from it.

Here are some links to some of the things that came up in conversation:

Brett's first appearance on the show.
Pauli's first appearance on the show.
Hoosier Association for Behavior Analysis.
BDA's YouTube Channel, Behavioral Karma.
The Behavioral Karma Podcast, hosted by Billy Brown and Paulie Gavoni.
Fighting Words in ABA (Pauli's article on BSci21.org).
Pauli's LinkedIn page.
Brett's LinkedIn page.
The Performance Diagnostic Checklist (Carr et al., 2013).
Brett's interview of me at HABA 2018.

Today's episode is brought to you by the following:

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Behavioral Karma: The 5 Scientific Laws of Life and Leadership* is the book that was just recently published by Brett DiNovi and Dr. Pauli Gavoni.

In this episode, we talked about what these five laws are, and how one can apply them to just about anything in life, and see positive outcomes as a result.

All and all, this was a fun and wide ranging discussion, and I think listeners will be able to get some neat takeaways from it.

Here are some links to some of the things that came up in conversation:

Brett's first appearance on the show.
Pauli's first appearance on the show.
Hoosier Association for Behavior Analysis.
BDA's YouTube Channel, Behavioral Karma.
The Behavioral Karma Podcast, hosted by Billy Brown and Paulie Gavoni.
Fighting Words in ABA (Pauli's article on BSci21.org).
Pauli's LinkedIn page.
Brett's LinkedIn page.
The Performance Diagnostic Checklist (Carr et al., 2013).
Brett's interview of me at HABA 2018.

Today's episode is brought to you by the following:

If you want to study ABA and Positive Behavior Supports at a top-notch setting in Europe, then look no further than the Tizard Center at the University of Kent. Since 1986, they've been training professionals to support individuals with disabilities. Their primary focus has always been promoting values-based and ethical approaches to supporting people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. If you would like to learn more about ABA and PBS training on an international stage, check out www.tizard.org.
HRIC Recruiting. Barb Voss has been placing BCBAs in permanent positions throughout the US for just about a decade, and has been in the business more generally for 30 years. When you work with HRIC, you work directly with Barb, thereby accessing highly personalized service. So if you're about to graduate, you're looking for a change of pace, or you just want to know if the grass really is greener on the other side, head over to HRIColorado.com to schedule a confidential chat right away.
And while I'm promoting the stuff on my website, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the membership program. Think of it as a DIY Patreon... Members get access to a private FB group in which they are able to get nearly instantaneous access to the videos of these podcast interviews. For example, this interview has been available to members for two months. Members get the raw feed. That means no ads, and none of these introductory comments. You just get right to the interview. Another cool thing we do is hold Zoom Hangouts with former guests so where you can interact with them directly. For more information, check out behavioralobservations.com/membership.

Previous Episode

Getting Fit During a Pandemic: Session 132 with Nick Green

Dr. Nick Green joins me in Session 132 for his third appearance on the show. In this episode, we discuss:

How he responded to being furloughed for a few months.
His contributions to Covid-19 research at the University of Florida.
Nick's general principles on how he helps clients develop and accomplish fitness goals.
How to overcome barriers to fitness, especially when gyms are closed.
What are some basic movement patterns that people should train.
Some of the great results his fitness clients are seeing.
His advice on wearable tech and other methods for collecting fitness analytics.
How to think about time allocation so busy people can still meet their fitness goals.
How to incorporate health and fitness into a comprehensive ABA program.
What steps Behavior Analysts can take to begin work in the health and fitness industry.

We also took questions submitted by members of The Behavioral Observations Membership Program. Here are the links to the stuff we talked about:

The BehaviorFit homepage.
Hell in a Bucket reference (tunes from a simpler time).
Dr. John Lednicky from the U. of Florida (Covid-19 researcher Nick worked with).
Nick's infographic on the 7 Functional Movements.
Silver Sneakers (online fitness program for 65+ people).
Onnit Academy (online instructional videos).
The Daily Burn (another online instruction site).
BehaviorFit on Instagram.
Nick's earlier appearances on the BOP.
The Whoop Strap (still not a sponsor, but I'm open to it ;-).
Nick's podcast, BehaviorFit Radio.
Used sporting goods store, Play it Again Sports.
My favorite music education YouTube channel.
Bannerman, et al (1990). Balancing the right to habilitation with the right to personal liberties: the rights of people with developmental disabilities to eat too many doughnuts and take a nap.

Session 132 is brought to you with the support of the following sponsors:

Behavior University. Their mission is to provide university quality professional development for the busy Behavior Analyst. Learn about their CEU offerings and podcast-specific discounts over at behavioruniversity.com/observations.
The ABA Marketing Minute with Rich Brooks. Digital marketing guru and two-time guest Rich Brooks and I have teamed up to provide listeners with 60-second micro-lessons in digital marketing. You'll hear the first installment later in this broadcast, so I won't spoil it here, but let's just say the message should parallel a lot of what we should strive for in our clinical practice. If you're interested in marketing your practice on social media or Google, or if you want to give your website a makeover, I highly recommend working with Rich and his awesome team over at Flyte New Media.
And while I'm promoting the stuff on my website, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the

Next Episode

What is Oppositional Defiant Disorder? Session 134 with Amelia Bowler

Amelia Bowler, author of The Parent's Guide to Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Your Questions Answered, joins me in Session 134 to talk about her work and personal experiences in supporting individuals with ODD.

In this podcast, Amelia demystifies the term ODD and distinguishes it from other emotional/behavioral disorders. She also discusses the importance of developing relationships with individuals with ODD prior to applying first/then or if/then contingencies.

We finish the show by discussing some strategies that may be more successful for individuals with ODD, as well as provide suggestions for further reading.

Here are the links to the resources that were discussed:

Amelia's aforementioned book*.
Amelia's website, AmeliaBehaviour.com.
ADHD Does Not Exist: The Truth About Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder*, by Richard Saul.
Patterson (1982). Coercive Family Process*.
Russell Barkley website (ADHD resource).
Emotion Coaching (Gottman Institute).
Optimistic Parenting* by Mark Durand.
Neurotribes: The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity* by Steve Silberman.
Ross Greene's appearance on The Controversial Exchange.
Additude.com (ADHD resource site).
Tiltparenting.com (another parenting website).
Mona Delahooke (another blog/popular press resource, the book Amelia mentioned here*).
Rundown of the Stillface Experiment (short video here).

Session 134 is brought to you by the following sponsors:

Behavior University. Their mission is to provide university quality professional development for the busy Behavior Analyst. Learn about their CEU offerings, including their brand new 8-hour Supervision Course, as well as their RBT offerings over at behavioruniversity.com/observations.
Gateway Learning Group, and their Autism Leadership Academy. Designed for new Regional Directors, the Autism Leadership Academy develops motivated BCBAs into successful leaders in the autism field. If you’re interested in running your own regional center and want to learn the skills to do so successfully, check out gatewaylg.com/BOP.
Market Your ABA Practice Like a Pro: A Digital Marketing Masterclass with Rich Brooks. That's right, our favorite marketing guru, Rich Brooks and I are teaming up for a fantastic learning opportunity. During this event, you'll discover marketing strategies that will allow you to get your ABA practice get in front of ideal stakeholders. Rich and I are still working out the details and I'll have a site to direct you to shortly. What I can tell you is that you're going to want to block off some time on November 9th.

*denotes Amazon Affiliate link