
Animal Law Podcast #47: The Case of the Not-So-Natural Choice
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04/24/19 • 48 min
On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, I speak to Kelsey Eberly and David Muraskin about what the average consumer thinks when they see the words, “Natural Choice,” on a meat or poultry product and what the truth is about the products that carry that label. That’s the fundamental issue in the case that they have been litigating in the District of Columbia Superior Court — Animal Legal Defense Fund v Hormel Foods Corp. Unfortunately, as too often happens when it comes to animal law, after years of litigation that question was not even addressed in the court’s recent decision dismissing the case based on standing and preemption. Kelsey and Dave explain why they think that decision was wrong and likely to be overturned on appeal and why this case is so important, not only because it drastically narrows the District’s consumer protection law, which had been thought to be the strongest in the country, but because of what it means for the unseen victims here, the animals trapped in Hormel’s supply chain.
Kelsey Eberly assists Animal Legal Defense Fund with its cases and projects. She graduated from UCLA Law School in May 2014, where she focused on animal, environmental, and administrative law. While attending law school, Kelsey was the chair of the UCLA Animal Law Society—that school’s Animal Legal Defense Fund Student Chapter. She was also a writing advisor to first year law students in UCLA’s Lawyering Skills clinical program. Prior to this, she earned a graduate certificate in Animal Policy and Advocacy from Humane Society University. In 2006, she received a bachelor’s degree magna cum laude from Middlebury College, with a double major in English and Spanish.
David Muraskin is a Food Safety & Health Attorney at Public Justice, focusing on Public Justice’s efforts to promote sustainable animal farming agriculture and hold factory farms accountable for the negative social and environmental effects of their production methods. Prior to joining Public Justice, he worked on a variety of consumer litigation, first as the Alan Morrison Supreme Court Assistance Project Fellow with Public Citizen and then as an attorney in McKool Smith’s whistleblower practice. He has worked with the United States and numerous States to prosecute first-of-its-kind qui tam litigation and represented clients in cases from state trial courts to the United States Supreme Court concerning constitutional and statutory claims. From 2009-2011, he was a law clerk to Judge James L. Dennis on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
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On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, I speak to Kelsey Eberly and David Muraskin about what the average consumer thinks when they see the words, “Natural Choice,” on a meat or poultry product and what the truth is about the products that carry that label. That’s the fundamental issue in the case that they have been litigating in the District of Columbia Superior Court — Animal Legal Defense Fund v Hormel Foods Corp. Unfortunately, as too often happens when it comes to animal law, after years of litigation that question was not even addressed in the court’s recent decision dismissing the case based on standing and preemption. Kelsey and Dave explain why they think that decision was wrong and likely to be overturned on appeal and why this case is so important, not only because it drastically narrows the District’s consumer protection law, which had been thought to be the strongest in the country, but because of what it means for the unseen victims here, the animals trapped in Hormel’s supply chain.
Kelsey Eberly assists Animal Legal Defense Fund with its cases and projects. She graduated from UCLA Law School in May 2014, where she focused on animal, environmental, and administrative law. While attending law school, Kelsey was the chair of the UCLA Animal Law Society—that school’s Animal Legal Defense Fund Student Chapter. She was also a writing advisor to first year law students in UCLA’s Lawyering Skills clinical program. Prior to this, she earned a graduate certificate in Animal Policy and Advocacy from Humane Society University. In 2006, she received a bachelor’s degree magna cum laude from Middlebury College, with a double major in English and Spanish.
David Muraskin is a Food Safety & Health Attorney at Public Justice, focusing on Public Justice’s efforts to promote sustainable animal farming agriculture and hold factory farms accountable for the negative social and environmental effects of their production methods. Prior to joining Public Justice, he worked on a variety of consumer litigation, first as the Alan Morrison Supreme Court Assistance Project Fellow with Public Citizen and then as an attorney in McKool Smith’s whistleblower practice. He has worked with the United States and numerous States to prosecute first-of-its-kind qui tam litigation and represented clients in cases from state trial courts to the United States Supreme Court concerning constitutional and statutory claims. From 2009-2011, he was a law clerk to Judge James L. Dennis on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
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The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its ninth glorious year!
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Animal Law Podcast #46: The Case Against the USDA, Revisited
On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast I welcome back to the Animal Law Podcast regular guest Delci Winders, who will give us updates on some interesting Animal Welfare Act cases. The first case deals with the blackout on the USDA’s website regarding information dealing with enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act. In 2017 the USDA deleted many Animal Welfare Act records from its website, reversing what had been an automatic practice of posting those records as part of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). This has resulted in enormous problems for animal welfare organizations, consumers, and others in trying to figure out which entities are in compliance with the Act.
The second case we discuss involves an update on the USDA’s practice of rubber-stamping license renewals for facilities regardless of their compliance history. The agency has recently set forth a proposal to resolve this unfortunate situation. Delci discusses the good, and the bad, about that proposal. She also tells us her views on what proper enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act would look like.
Delcianna J. Winders is PETA’s Vice President and Deputy General Counsel for Captive Animal Law Enforcement. She recently completed two years as the first Academic Fellow of the Harvard Animal Law & Policy Program and a visiting scholar position at the Elisabeth Haub School of Law at Pace University. Her work has appeared in the Denver Law Review, Ohio State Law Journal, NYU Law Review and the Animal Law Review and she has a piece forthcoming in the Florida State Law Review as well as a forthcoming book chapter on the Endangered Species Act and captive wildlife. Winders has also published extensively in the popular press.
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Animal Law Podcast #48: Service, Assistance, and Companion Animals are in the House
On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, I speak to Abby Volin about how the issue of finding housing with pets is directly related to the complex legal issues surrounding both service and assistance animals (spoiler alert: they are not the same thing!). She tells me about how most housing providers haven’t kept up with the needs of renters who live with animals, creating a situation in which demand for animal-friendly housing is vastly outpacing supply, and in which landlords are missing out on great tenants for all the wrong reasons. She also explains how the Fair Housing Amendments Act and Americans with Disabilities Act define disability and in what ways they protect people trying to find, or keep, their service or assistance animals living with them in their homes. Adding to the confusion are different standards applying on airplanes to such animals and a good deal of publicity about some peculiar applications of those standards. As a result, this is an area that has become so fraught with misconceptions regarding how reasonable accommodation laws work and whether there is fraud within the system that state legislatures have started to pass laws that criminalize the fraudulent use of service and assistance animals. Abby explains how this creates further difficulties for people with disabilities who need access to housing for themselves and their animals.
Abby Volin is President of Opening Doors, a consulting firm that helps housing professionals manage pets on properties and counsels tenants with their pet-related housing issues. She is a nationally recognized expert on animal accommodation law and frequently holds lectures for landlords, attorneys, tenants, animal welfare organizations, and healthcare providers. Prior to founding Opening Doors, Abby worked as a policy specialist at The Humane Society of the United States and started her career as a litigator. Abby earned her JD from Loyola University Chicago School of Law and BA from Tufts University.
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