"How did I grow into becoming a great (accidental) leader?" Guest - Jennifer Pham
01/25/23 • 31 min
No leader's path is the same. But all leaders have certain things in common, authenticity, kindness and honesty just to name a few.
Today, Jennifer Pham joins me to discuss her journey from a junior graphic designer to a Vice President at Your Marketing Company. Going from a team member who barely spoke in meetings to a true leader, Jennifer is the true definition of an accidental leader.
Time Stamps:
[2:30] - Jennifer Pham joins Bo and explains how she joined Your Marketing Company.
[7:20] - She never really wanted to become a leader, Jennifer describes how she learned what a true leader is.
[9:00] - Good communication is the key to being an effective leader.
[11:30] - Understanding yourself is the key to being a good leader.
[14:00] - People really remember when they've worked with a bad leader.
[17:08] - The hardest part about being a leader for Jennifer, is when she has to fire people.
[19:36] - Letting people go from a company never gets easier.
[22:05] - When you're a leader, especially an accidental leader, it's progress over perfection.
[25:00] - A lot of times, leaders talk themselves out of things. It's important to trust your gut.
[27:55] - If your people succeed then you succeed.
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No leader's path is the same. But all leaders have certain things in common, authenticity, kindness and honesty just to name a few.
Today, Jennifer Pham joins me to discuss her journey from a junior graphic designer to a Vice President at Your Marketing Company. Going from a team member who barely spoke in meetings to a true leader, Jennifer is the true definition of an accidental leader.
Time Stamps:
[2:30] - Jennifer Pham joins Bo and explains how she joined Your Marketing Company.
[7:20] - She never really wanted to become a leader, Jennifer describes how she learned what a true leader is.
[9:00] - Good communication is the key to being an effective leader.
[11:30] - Understanding yourself is the key to being a good leader.
[14:00] - People really remember when they've worked with a bad leader.
[17:08] - The hardest part about being a leader for Jennifer, is when she has to fire people.
[19:36] - Letting people go from a company never gets easier.
[22:05] - When you're a leader, especially an accidental leader, it's progress over perfection.
[25:00] - A lot of times, leaders talk themselves out of things. It's important to trust your gut.
[27:55] - If your people succeed then you succeed.
Links:
Previous Episode
Finding balance in your leadership life with Special Guest: Jason Vitug
Money is a resource we focus a lot on as leaders and profit isn't something we should be ashamed of. But sometimes profits aren't everything, we also have to take care of ourselves physically, emotionally and mentally.
Today, author and entrepreneur, Jason Vitug joins me to discuss his career path from cleaning airport toilets to being a high level VP at a credit union to becoming an accidental entrepreneur. He talks about the moment he knew he needed to set more boundaries around his work life for a healthier life.
Time Stamps:
[2:00] - If you're making a lot of money, but don't have time to enjoy it. Why bother?
[5:28] - Jason introduces himself and recounts his journey as an accidental entrepreneur.
[7:20] - The entrepreneur life isn't for everyone and there isn't anything wrong with a traditional 9 to 5 job.
[9:50] - No one can tell you when or if you'll be satisfied with your work life.
[11:00] - When Jason started getting physically ill he knew it was time to re-evaluate his work life.
[14:30] - It's really important for us to set realistic boundaries at work.
[18:00] - When setting boundaries, don't be too rigid.
[20:40] - You don't want to set a financial goal that takes you away from the way you want to live your life.
[24:30] - When we're present in the moment, that's when we can build the life we truly want.
[27:14] - Gears that grind too long get worn down and thrown out. It's the same with people.
[32:09] - Everyone is very unique. No one's journey is the same.
[33:15] - Passion is a combination of your time and resources.
[36:00] - You make much better choices when you want to do something instead of when you have to do something.
[40:00] - Money can buy happiness when we spend it on wellness.
Links:
Happy Money Happy Life: A Multidimensional Approach to Health, Wealth, and Freedom by Jason Vitug
You Only Live Once: The Roadmap to Financial Wellness and a Purposeful Life
Next Episode
Leadership and Mental Health with special guest Paul Gaumer
Leadership and mental health isn't talked about often. It's uncomfortable and people often don't want to acknowledge it out of fear of it being perceived as a weakness. But when a leader is struggling with their mental health it's not a weakness.
Today, author Paul Gaumer joins me to discuss his experience struggling with his mental health. Paul is the COO of an Illinois Credit Union. Today, he describes how he pushes through when his Bipolar disorder is causing him to experience severe self-doubt.
Time Stamps:
[2:46] - Bo tells a little known story about Abraham Lincoln's mental health.
[7:00] - Paul introduces himself and recounts his past experiences with his mental health.
[10:05] - When Paul was at his lowest, he started going to church and thought everything was going to be better.
[11:50] - Every morning Paul wakes up with self doubt.
[14:30] - Looking back at everything his credit union had accomplished helps Paul quiet his self doubt.
[15:40] - Bo has two Johns who shaped his leadership and Paul has two Toms.
[18:33] - Paul tells a story about how he met his first Tom.
[21:40] - A good leader always reassures their employees that they deserve to have the job they have.
[22:30] - We hear about Paul's second Tom.
[25:20] - Leading by intimidation and deception is a recipe for unhappy employees.
[28:00] - Taking the time to get to know your employees is essential.
[32:43] - To be a good leader, you have to be willing to listen.
[37:31] - Paul recounts a story highlighting how to help someone struggling with their mental health.
[40:00] - The days of heavy handed leadership are gone.
Links:
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