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Strategy of Finance

Rohit Agarwal

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Learn. Grow. Inspire. A podcast on Finance People, for Finance People, by Finance People. Celebrate the Profession and the Professionals in the world of Finance with Rohit Agarwal, Tech Entrepreneur, ex-CFO, and ex-investment banker. These unsung heroes mostly remain under the limelight but contribute tremendously towards company building. We endeavor to unpack their journeys to understand what moves them, get inspired by their triumphs, learn from their experiences, and, most of all, connect with them at a personal level. https://www.strategyoffinance.com/
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In this episode, Daniel Himple, a finance recruiter, shares insights into the recruitment process for CFOs and finance leaders in the startup world. He discusses the qualities of a great recruiter and the differences between working in UK and New York. Daniel also explains the backgrounds of modern CFOs and what they look for in companies. He provides advice on when to hire a CFO and the balance between fractional CFOs and full-time CFOs. Additionally, he discusses the increasing demand for CFOs and the key roles to hire at different stages of a company's growth. Further, Dan discusses the challenges of scaling finance leadership, the importance of industry-specific knowledge, and the role of technology in recruiting. He advises aspiring CFOs to gain broad experience early in their careers and to work with world-class CFOs for mentorship. Daniel also shares insights on resume writing, salary negotiations, and the CFO hiring process. He predicts a continued focus on profitability and increased demand for finance leaders in the coming years. --- Takeaways
  • A great recruiter specializes in a specific field and has a strong network and market knowledge.
  • Modern CFOs come from diverse backgrounds, including consulting and investment banking.
  • Companies are hiring CFOs earlier in their growth stages, and the role of the CFO has evolved to become more strategic.
  • The decision to hire a full-time CFO depends on the company's stage and financial resources.
  • The size of finance teams in startups is increasing, and CFOs are being given more resources to succeed.
  • The recruitment process for CFOs can take longer during turbulent markets, and candidates are becoming more risk-averse.
  • Successful CFO hires require alignment on strategic vision, communication, and a seat at the table.
  • Key roles to hire at different stages of a company include the first in-house finance hire, a growth-focused finance leader, and a CFO for exit or IPO. Finance leaders often struggle to scale beyond a certain point due to a lack of knowledge and exposure to the next stage of a company's trajectory.
  • Having industry-specific knowledge and experience is highly valued when hiring finance leaders, especially at later stages of a company's growth.
  • Compensation in tech companies typically includes a combination of cash and stock, with equity being a significant component.
  • Technology has greatly influenced the recruiting process, allowing for more efficient candidate sourcing and assessment.
  • Building relationships and networking are crucial for aspiring CFOs, and working with world-class CFOs can provide valuable mentorship.
  • Resumes should focus on tangible outcomes and achievements, and LinkedIn profiles should serve as an extension of the resume.
  • Practical assignments or case studies can be used to assess a CFO candidate's strategic thinking and industry knowledge.
  • The CFO hiring process should involve selling the company to candidates and ensuring a good cultural fit.
  • Predictions for 2024 include a continued focus on profitability and increased demand for finance leaders.

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Quotes

“The value of a great recruiter is all within their network. And then the knowledge and the insights that come with that network.”

“A great recruiter will always specialize in one specific field and not be a generalist.”

“The reason people come to these industries because they want more job enrichment, they want to take on additional roles that enables them to feel like they're having a real impact on the growth of the business and they want to work for a business model or a vision that they're passionate about.”

“The modern CFOs are the CEOs and COOs of the future.”

“Last year, 12-13% of our business came from seed-funded businesses who are starting to bring in their first finance leader.”

“Any startup that are looking to hire a financial leader, the real key is ensuring they're hiring people who know the nuances and the challenge of working in a fast growth startup.”

“The longer that people stay in banking for or even public accounting, the harder it is for them to then make that transition into other industries because they're almost seen as institutionalized or actually you actually get to a salary that it makes it even harder to leave.”

“Those would be the big things for me: fundraising, exit and scaling.” - What are companies looking for in CFOs?

“What a CFO or a finance leader seeking in roles? The key phrase that is always used is a seat at the table.”

“In the last two years, our average timeline from registering a role to filling a VP of Finance or CFO has increased from eight to 10 weeks.”

“When I looked at Q4 of 23 in comparison to Q4 of 22, we'd seen a 22% increase in demand for CFOs or on new...

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Strategy of Finance - EP 001 - Introduction to SoF Podcast
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04/11/23 • 2 min

Introducing the Strategy of Finance Podcast hosted by Rohit Agarwal, Founder of Krayo. We celebrate the Profession and the Professionals in the world of Finance.

We'll be releasing a new episode each week and bring to you a dynamic finance leader to share their thoughts.

Website: https://www.strategyoffinance.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/strategy-of-finance-podcast

Twitter: https://twitter.com/podcast_SoF

Email: [email protected]

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Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohitagarwal001/

Email: [email protected]

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Strategy of Finance - EP 008 - Finance as a Growth Driver with Mika Kasumov
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08/05/23 • 50 min

Our guest today is no stranger to the complexities and challenges of the startup world. He is a master of navigating transformative change, especially when it comes to scaling startups and optimizing the intricacies of business. He's an entrepreneur, a strategist, a financial expert, and even a go-to-market leader.

Mika Kasumov is the dynamic founder at Abacus & Pencil Consulting, where he's made it his mission to guide Series B & C startups through the intricate mazes of business transformation as a fractional Chief Performance Officer. He's been the cornerstone of various consulting engagements with emerging giants like Mux, Rallyware, Trusted Health, and Sparks Rowing.

His seasoned journey has also seen him as the Vice President of BizOps & Strategic Finance at the renowned MasterClass, the Chief of Staff to the CEO of Pantheon Platform, and the strategic force behind businesses like Upwork, Pandora, eBay, and Sears Holdings Corporation.

But Mika isn't all business. He values growth not just in the boardroom but in life. Whether it's refining financial strategies, mentoring fellow leaders, diving into the nuances of the French language, or exploring the world of fiction, he truly embodies the spirit of continuous learning and growth.
Ladies and gentlemen, a master of transformative change and a passionate learner at heart, please extend a warm welcome to Mika.

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Quotes:

“I really approach the finance function as a driver for growth as opposed to an accounting-oriented cost center.”

“Don't let hubris around your evaluation number get in the way of building a long-term company.”

“Early on in my career, remote work would have actually hindered me.”

“I think that finance can be a competitive advantage. The way successful companies differentiate themselves is when they use the function to be a bridge between departments, to be the connective tissue between what is the investor narrative, how are we pitching, and what are you actually delivering to your customer, how are you measuring the customer outcomes, right? And there's a ton of things in between, like you have all the different teams whose operating priorities need to stack up, need to align, for you to have both a good employee, a customer, and an investor outcome. And I just simply can't think of any other function that can deliver that outside of finance.

“It's about having this parallel track of, here are the things I'd like to do when I have the opportunity to, here are the things I can do today, and here's how I'm gonna create an opportunity for myself to act on the rest of it in 18 months or 12 months or whenever the opportunity arises.”

“The CFO's role is to respectfully challenge, but also support the vision. And there's a delicate balance to play there between saying no to everything, and uncovering and front running risks so that the rest of the company doesn't have to worry about.”

“Strategic finance is fundamentally business partnering. And you have to go meet the rest of the business where it's at. If you have a rev ops team, you partner with your rev ops team. If you don't, you go and build those capabilities within a strategic finance org. And in the best cases, strategic finance is setting the operating case...

...ultimately, the idea (strategic finance) is that you're filling the void between departments and you're doing that by being a good partner for each one of them.”

“As a founder, you need to be concurrently data-driven, like searching for your product-market fit, and have the ability to ignore 90% of the data points out there. And that creates cognitive dissonance, right? The idea is that it's really hard for us as humans to hold to contradictory beliefs in our heads. That's a huge emotional toll, that's a huge mental toll.”

“Technology helps wherever you have a recurring process that just needs to run correctly 99% of the time.”

“It's (technology) not so much about saving time or saving costs of replacing humans with software, it's about replacing human error with software predictability.”

“The best CFOs I've seen often bring in a team member into that (1 on 1 with Founder / CEO). Maybe it's a different person every time, but they know that if founders see the strength of the talent they have on their team, he actually builds credit. They give opportunities for their team to grow.”

“If you have an opinion, if the data says one thing, go out and state it. Don't try to be artificially balanced and play both sides. And if you're wrong, admit it that you're wrong. Be open to feedback, of course.”

“If you're going out to pitch today, my view is that you wanna go out with a simple deck that doesn't necessarily try to answer every possible question. Every inv...

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In this conversation, Alex Small shares his background and journey in the finance and tech industry. He discusses his professional role from being a systems administrator to Head of Strategy and the importance of systems thinking in finance. Alex also talks about his experience at Zendesk and ClickUp, highlighting their positioning in the market. He explores the trade-off between profitability and growth in SaaS businesses and the key metrics to track in the industry. This part of the conversation covers key metrics for understanding business performance, and the comparison between SaaS and Payment's transaction-based business models. Further, in the Masterclass on Strategy, Alex discusses the role of strategy in business, differentiating good strategy from bad strategy, the challenges and considerations of strategy, the influence of data and technology on strategy, building a strategy team, the importance of internal mobility, and managing multiple roles and businesses. Additionally, Alex discusses the importance of professional relationships, the need to eliminate distractions and focus on tasks, his definition of success, his approach to leadership, and his perspective on career regrets.

Takeaways

Systems thinking is crucial in finance to understand the interconnections between different aspects of a business.

Promotions and success in a career often require a combination of hard work, competitive advantage, and strong relationships with business partners.

Positioning in the market is essential for companies to differentiate themselves and find their niche.

SaaS businesses face the challenge of balancing profitability and growth, with many prioritizing growth to stay competitive.

CAC payback is a critical metric in SaaS, indicating how long it takes to recoup the cost of acquiring a customer. Key metrics for understanding business performance include customer lifetime value, CAC payback, and the ratio of customer lifetime value to CAC payback.

SaaS and transaction-based business models have their own advantages and challenges, with SaaS offering strong margins and transaction-based models having a larger total addressable market (TAM).

Strategy should connect operations or finance to strategy, and it is important for all teams to be strategic, not just those with 'strategy' in their title.

Good strategy is comprehensive, actionable, and communicable, and it should accomplish something for the business.

Data and technology play a crucial role in shaping strategy by providing competitive research and enabling benchmarking and analysis.

When building a strategy team, consider internal mobility and the need for diverse perspectives and deep strategic experience.

Internal mobility helps increase tenure and allows for iterative learning and growth within the company.

Capabilities for a strategy team include a deep understanding of the business, the ability to connect different areas of strategy, and the skills to leverage data and technology effectively.

Managing multiple roles and businesses requires prioritization, passion, and the ability to focus and work efficiently.

Building great relationships is crucial for success in business and can lead to valuable partnerships and opportunities.

Eliminating distractions and maintaining focus is key to productivity and achieving goals.

Effective leadership involves building strong relationships based on trust, respect, and accountability.

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Introduction and Background

Journey and Key Milestones

Role as a Systems Administrator

Promotions and Success Factors

Positioning of Zendesk

Positioning of ClickUp

Profitability vs Growth

SaaS Metrics

Key Metrics for Understanding Business Performance

Comparing SaaS and Transaction-based Business Models

The Role of Strategy in Business

The Challenges and Considerations of Strategy

Differentiating Good Strategy from Bad Strategy

The Role of Strategy Leaders

The Influence of Data and Technology on Strategy

Building a Strategy Team: Internal vs. External Hires

The Importance of Internal Mobility

Capabilities and Considerations for Building a Strategy Team

Managing Multiple Roles and Businesses

The Power of Professional Relationships

Starve Your Distractions and Feed Your Focus

Defining Success and Future Goals

Approach to Leadership

No Regrets in Career

Lightning Round

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Quotes

“Strategy, operations, and finance need to come together to make a business successful.”

“If you work twice as hard, you get promoted twice as fast.”

“The only reason a SaaS business would have a lack of profitability is because they're v...

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In this episode, Alex Urmersbach, a four-time CFO, shares his journey in the finance world and provides insights into the role of a CFO. He discusses his international experience and the transition to becoming a CFO, as well as the lessons he learned from the dot-com bubble and the 2008 financial crisis. Alex also shares his experience managing remote teams and offers advice for young professionals aspiring to become CFOs. He highlights the importance of strategic planning, fundraising, and financing strategies in the CFO role. Additionally, he discusses the challenges and motivations of being a CFO and provides tips for success in the first 100 days in the role. In this conversation, Alex Urmersbach discusses his approach to identifying and developing talent within an organization. He emphasizes the importance of finding individuals who have good perspective, think critically, and take ownership of their roles. Alex also highlights the value of promoting from within and fostering ongoing dialogue with managers about career paths and goals. Additionally, he shares his definition of a successful career, which is focused on personal growth, challenging environments, and having a seat at the table to impact outcomes. --- Chapters

01:01 Introduction and Background

04:32 International Experience and Transition to CFO Role

05:40 Early Years in Finance and Long Tenure at Bank of America

12:59 Lessons from the Dot-com Bubble and 2008 Financial Crisis

15:39 Managing the COVID-19 Pandemic at Teleperformance

18:15 Transition to Kiavi and the Real Estate FinTech Lending Space

21:08 Managing Remote Teams and Building Rapport

23:38 Establishing Cadence and the Future of Finance

28:02 When to Hire a CFO and Their Value to the Company

33:56 Short-term Loans in the Home Loans Market

37:16 FinTech company vs. Traditional Lender

40:20 Fundraising and Financing Strategies

43:35 Advice for the First 100 Days as a CFO

50:52 Making Informed Decisions Before Joining a Company

52:39 Motivation and Challenges of Being a CFO

54:28 Advice for Young Professionals Aspiring to Become CFOs

59:55 Defining a Successful Career

01:01:57 Lightning Round

01:06:14 Conclusion

--- Takeaways
  • International experience and exposure to different cultures can shape a professional's perspective and adaptability.
  • The role of a CFO goes beyond financial management and involves strategic planning, decision-making, and enabling other departments.
  • CFOs need to be proactive in managing risks and staying informed about market trends and potential challenges.
  • Building strong relationships with internal and external stakeholders is crucial for a CFO's success.
  • Technology advancements, such as AI and BI tools, are transforming the finance function and enabling CFOs to provide valuable insights and drive growth.
  • CFOs should focus on creating enterprise value, optimizing financial operations, and aligning financial strategies with the company's goals.
  • The timing of hiring a CFO depends on the company's financial stability, growth stage, and funding needs.
  • Short-term loans in the home loans market cater to the demand for fixing up and selling older homes, providing opportunities for growth and profitability.
  • CFOs play a critical role in fundraising and financing strategies, managing capital, and ensuring the company's financial health.
  • In the first 100 days as a CFO, it is important to build relationships, understand the business and financial models, assess the financial status, and develop a plan to create value.
  • Young professionals aspiring to become CFOs should think like owners, develop a holistic understanding of the business, and focus on building a strong finance team.
  • CFOs face demanding work hours and need to balance work-life commitments, but the role offers intellectual challenges and the opportunity to make a significant impact. Look for individuals who have good perspective, think critically, and take ownership of their roles.
  • Promote from within and foster ongoing dialogue with managers about career paths and goals.
  • A successful career is defined by personal growth, challenging environments, and having a seat at the table to impact outcomes.
  • Engage in high-quality discussions and surround yourself with smart people to stimulate personal growth.
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"The super CFO... is really a proxy for the CEO."

“First thing you learn that there are different ways to do things... people and countries and cultures have different backgrounds and histories... You just need to get flexible and understand that people want to do the right thing.”

“Even if you're backed by big investors, it does...

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Strategy of Finance - EP 016 - The CannaTech CFO with David Yan, CFO at Treez
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01/13/24 • 86 min

In this conversation, David Yan, CFO of Trees, shares his journey from KPMG to the corporate finance side and eventually to the cannabis industry. He discusses his experience at various companies and the challenges and opportunities he encountered along the way. David also provides insights into the state regulations in the cannabis industry and the funding landscape for companies in this space. He participates in a quick-fire game where he compares different metrics of Trees, Wrike, and Rike. Further, David discusses the evolution of the role of the CFO and the characteristics of a modern CFO. He emphasizes the importance of being forward-thinking and acting as the nexus point between a company's strategy, capital investment, operations, and people. David also explores how advanced technology and data analytics have transformed the finance function, and he shares insights on fostering a culture of innovation and accountability within a team. He provides advice for new CFOs on their first 100 days and offers guidance for young professionals aspiring to become CFOs. --- Takeaways
  • Transitioning from a traditional finance role to corporate finance can provide a broader perspective and operating experience.
  • The cannabis industry is highly regulated at the state level, which presents unique challenges and opportunities for companies operating in this space.
  • Investor sentiment towards the cannabis industry has evolved over time, with traditional investors now showing interest and conducting due diligence.
  • Metrics such as gross profit, payback, average revenue per customer, LTV to CAC, and churn can vary across companies depending on their business models and target markets. The role of the CFO has evolved to be more forward-thinking and strategic, acting as the nexus point between a company's strategy, capital investment, operations, and people.
  • Advanced technology and data analytics have transformed the finance function, enabling CFOs to gain insights and make informed decisions.
  • Fostering a culture of innovation and accountability within a team requires investing in people's development, encouraging problem-solving, and aligning decisions with the company's overall business objectives.
  • In the first 100 days as a CFO, it is important to understand the business, build relationships with colleagues, prioritize key issues, and communicate a roadmap for the finance function.
  • Young professionals aspiring to become CFOs should focus on developing a solid grounding in finance fundamentals, understanding the company's strategy, and how it operationally meets its goals.

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Quotes

“My main interest area was really just understanding all the different challenges companies were going through.”

“If you ultimately want to influence the strategy of business and you want to influence the outcomes of the company then going to have to get into the operations, you going to have to understand the strategy, you have to go down into the model, you have to go down into how you actually affect change and decision making into the company.”

“Putting yourself outside of your comfort zone as many times as you can in the first five years of your career is tremendously valuable.”

“(Understand) how much trust you can put in people and what your role is in making sure that your team succeeds.”

“(Definition of Modern CFO) to really being the nexus point between the company strategy, it’s capital investments, as well as operations, and people.”

“Ultimately, the role of the CFO is making sure the company can see around the corner in all aspects.”

“Once the capital is gone, it doesn’t come back.”

“I think of it as a pyramid in that at the very bottom layer, you have to have the finance operations. If you don't have that, you're not going to have the accounting. If you don't have the accounting, you're not going to have data integrity. And if you don't have data integrity, you're not going to be able to do financial planning. And if you don't have the financial planning, and then above the financial planning is analytics and insights. So, you really have to create a team and navigate systems and data that can meet the maturity of your business.”

“It's not about raw data. It's about insights. So, you have to start with what insights you need to run the business one year forward or a little bit more, again depending on your scale, and work backward into what systems, what processes, and what team structure would best help you get to that state.”

“You want to understand as quickly as you can, what you can do to help the company see around the corner.”

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Where to find David Yan:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-yan-b597b11/

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Where to find Treez:

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What is Strategy? - A Deep Dive into Its Real Essence and Execution

In an era where the term "strategy" is ubiquitously tossed around in corporate corridors, its true essence often remains shrouded in ambiguity. Alex, a seasoned strategist, sheds light on the multifaceted nature of strategy, debunking the myth that it’s all about lofty titles without the grind. This comprehensive guide provides insights from Alex's masterclass on strategy, navigating through the misconceptions, the integral role of various teams, and the intricacies of crafting actionable strategies. Basically, you'll get the framework to the eternal question - how to create a business strategy?

The Misunderstood Glamour of Strategy

Strategy, often perceived as a glamorous echelon reserved for the elite few, is, in reality, a domain fraught with misconceptions. Alex humorously notes the allure of incorporating "strategy" into one’s title, highlighting a widespread corporate fascination. However, he argues this dilutes the concept, inadvertently suggesting that strategic thinking is exclusive to certain roles. This could not be further from the truth. Strategy should permeate every facet of an organization, from finance to HR, necessitating a holistic and inclusive approach.

Strategy Across the Board: A Unified Approach

The conversation with a CFO revealed an insightful perspective: every team within an organization should imbue their operations with strategic thinking. This is not to say that every department needs to operate in isolation under the "strategy" banner but rather, strategic finance and other functions should collaborate closely, ensuring that every action aligns with the broader business objectives.

Alex emphasizes that true strategy intertwines operations, finance, and strategic planning, far from the hands-off approach some might assume. He shares examples from his own career where the most impactful strategic roles involved a deep engagement with the operational and financial aspects of the business, contrary to the misconception of strategy as a purely abstract exercise.

Good Strategy vs. Bad Strategy: The Differentiator

At its core, the efficacy of a strategy hinges on its ability to propel the business forward. Alex outlines the attributes of a well-formed strategy—comprehensive, actionable, and communicable. He stresses the importance of operational integration, where vague directives like "Go big on enterprise" must be dissected into tangible action plans detailing the what, how, and when.

The Strategic Role of Finance

Alex underlines the pivotal role finance teams play in bridging strategy with operational reality. This synergy between finance and product development underscores the transformative impact of strategic planning when executed with a nuanced understanding of the business’s core offerings.

Decentralizing Strategy: A Collective Endeavor

Contrary to the notion of centralizing strategy within a dedicated team, Alex advocates for a dispersed approach, encouraging strategic thinking across all levels and departments. He shares insights from Stripe, where a senior leader played the role of a "synthesizer," harmonizing diverse strategic inputs across the company. This exemplifies the value of having strategic liaisons embedded within various functions, fostering a cohesive strategic vision that is reflective of the entire organization’s insights and expertise.

Strategy in the Age of Data and Technology

In the contemporary business landscape, data and technology play a crucial role in shaping strategy. Alex warns against the pitfalls of basing strategic decisions on anecdotal evidence or hearsay. Instead, he advocates for a data-driven approach, leveraging technology to gather comprehensive insights that inform well-rounded strategies. Moreover, he encourages a first-principles mindset, urging strategists to question the underlying assumptions and innovate beyond mere replication of competitors' tactics.

Conclusion: Strategy as a Collective Art

Alex's masterclass demystifies strategy, portraying it not as a realm reserved for the select few but as a collective endeavor that demands involvement, critical thinking, and creativity across the organization. Strategy, as unveiled through Alex's insights, is a dynamic and inclusive process, one that thrives on diversity, collaboration, and an unwavering focus on the company's overarching goals.

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In this conversation, Reba Cox delves into her extensive journey in the procurement field, transitioning from trading base metals to procuring them, and ultimately stepping into tech procurement. She begins by highlighting the fundamental skills and mindset essential for success in procurement, such as the importance of demand planning, establishing baseline prices for savings, and the critical role of building strong relationships with stakeholders.

Reba distinguishes between direct and indirect procurement, outlining the unique challenges and strategies each entails, particularly in managing software contracts. She emphasizes the necessity of understanding and planning for demand, alongside the crucial task of setting baseline prices to secure savings.

Further, Reba touches on the broader role of procurement within both manufacturing and tech industries, underscoring its strategic placement under operations in manufacturing firms and under the CFO in tech companies.

Additionally, Reba highlights the focus on security and scalability, especially in tech procurement, reflecting on the significance of these elements in today's industry. She also discusses the evolution of procurement tools and their value in facilitating the work of different teams, advocating for the integration of new technologies to streamline processes.

Moreover, Reba speaks to the personal side of her career, sharing insights on building a positive reputation, transitioning from a gatekeeper mindset to one that's more collaborative and aligned with business goals. She offers career advice and shares her ambitions, looking towards the future of procurement with an eye on innovation and efficiency.

Reba concludes by emphasizing the need for the procurement function to evolve alongside the industry, incorporating more advanced tools and strategies to address the complex challenges of today's business environment. This includes a strong focus on security, scalability, and aligning procurement strategy with the overarching goals of the organization, highlighting the transformative potential of procurement in both manufacturing and tech sectors.

Takeaways

Procurement involves managing contracts, spend, and vendor relationships for a company's non-salary expenses.

Building relationships with stakeholders and understanding their needs is crucial for procurement success.

Demand planning and setting baseline prices are important strategies for achieving savings in procurement.

In tech procurement, security and scalability are key considerations, while in manufacturing, savings and project-based initiatives take precedence.

Managing software contracts requires careful negotiation, demand planning, and consideration of non-financial elements such as SLAs and security measures.

Procurement is best placed under operations in manufacturing and under the CFO in tech companies.

The lack of comprehensive tools is a major challenge in procurement.

Automation and AI are key technologies that will transform procurement processes.

Supplier collaboration and relationship building are critical in manufacturing, while in tech, procurement is often brought in only when something goes wrong.

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Quotes

“Procurement, by nature, is a function of functions.”

“Procurement is sales without the quota.”

“The more you absorb, especially when you're younger in your career, the more you'll be able to understand and piece things together.”

“The best thing to do when you come in is just absorb, ask questions, learn about other functions because your job as procurement is to make sure that everybody else's functions are basically happening and being protected.”

“Zero dollar touch means that we don't have a high threshold for spend at the company that doesn't go through procurement.”

“If you're an inquisitive person, it's a great place to be because you kind of know everything about everything that's going on.”

“Procurement handles contracting and spend and vendor sort of management at the strategic level for all the dollars that the company spends that's not on salary.”

“So I think that's one, I think, unique thing for procurement leaders. You really have to be a good relationship builder internally and externally.”

“I try never to have a new vendor with more than a one-year deal.”

“The first deal you do set your baseline for all renewals. And I think that a lot of people, especially in a software deal, don't understand that.”

“Procurement and sales actually have the same goal. We wanna close the deal as fast as possible.”

“The worst case scenario for a software deal is that your sales rep has forecasted a number that's just well bey...

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Rocky Lalvani, an advisor to small and medium-sized businesses, shares his insights on the Profit First method and how it can be applied to businesses of all sizes. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on profitability and making profit a driver rather than an afterthought. Lalvani explains that Profit First involves allocating money for specific purposes, such as profit, owner's pay, taxes, and operating expenses. By doing so, businesses can ensure that they have the cash flow to support growth and make informed investment decisions. He also highlights the need to measure and track the return on investments and the importance of understanding the cash flow implications of scaling a business. Lalvani also highlights the need for entrepreneurs to make hard choices and let go of employees or projects that are not driving profit. He explains how these principles can be applied in different business situations, including during market dislocations or crises. Additionally, Lalvani discusses the intersection of spirituality and business, emphasizing the importance of living in alignment with one's beliefs and values.

Takeaways

Profit should be a driver in business, not an afterthought

Allocate money for profit, owner's pay, taxes, and operating expenses

Measure and track the return on investments - Understand the cash flow implications of scaling a business Focus on profit from the start and manage cash flow effectively

Make hard choices and let go of employees or projects that are not driving profit

Apply profit first principles in different business situations, including during market dislocations or crises

Explore the intersection of spirituality and business and live in alignment with one's beliefs and values

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Quotes

“I think in many cultures, people don't talk about money. It's a taboo subject. People don't ask questions about money.”

“I was shocked to learn that business owners were really bad with money.”

“I don't believe in grinding it out.”

“As a kid, I just knew I wanted to be wealthy. And so I would read and learn and figure stuff out.”

“Why don't we do sales minus profit equals expenses. Now, profit is the driver and we constrain our expenses.”

"Profit First makes sure that the taxes are there, the profits there, your pay is there, and that you're appropriately taking the right amount of money out of the company."

"Growth requires cash. And if you don't know how much cash you need to grow your business, you can grow your business and quadruple it and run out of cash."

“Most bookkeeping is not up to date. It's always behind... So this bank account shows you how much cash came in. And at the end of the day, that's what matters.”

“Business owners are resourceful. The problem is they're also lazy.”

“The problem is the P&L doesn't equal cash.”

“Wealth is built on the balance sheet and it's an area nobody talks about.”

“Hoping and dreaming are not profit levers.”

“One of the top reasons for bankruptcy is scaling and growth.”

“As long as cash is flowing, you can keep going.”

“Everyone wants complicated solutions... Just do simple.”

“We do a lot with marketing because it is the number one wasted area of money.”

“Don't talk, do. Show me your actions.”

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Where to find Rocky Lalvani:

Website 1: https://profitcomesfirst.com/

Website 2: https://richersoul.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rocky-lalvani/

X: https://twitter.com/rockylalvani

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Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohitagarwal001/

X: https://x.com/podcast_SoF

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Harsh Joshi, founder and CEO of DAO Studio, discusses artificial intelligence (AI) and its applications. He shares his background in the AI space and the projects he has worked on. Harsh explains that AI is the process of making a system learn certain behaviors and respond accordingly. He discusses the integration of hardware and software in AI systems and the importance of neural networks as function approximators. Harsh also touches on the concepts of pre-training and fine-tuning in AI models, as well as the use of large language models (LLMs) and diffusion models for image and text generation. He explains the role of RAG (retrieval augmented generation) in AI architectures and the challenges of prompt engineering, MLOps, and AIOps. The adoption of AI in businesses is still limited due to several reasons, including controllability, explainability, and decomposability. These fundamental problems hinder the ability to ensure quality assurance, governance, and liability. Privacy is another concern that businesses struggle with when deploying AI systems. Open source models are gaining popularity in the AI space because they provide transparency, collaboration, and the ability to iterate and improve. However, open source initiatives by big corporates are driven by economic opportunities rather than social benefits. The deployment of AI at scale requires a collaborative approach involving subject matter experts, product teams, software engineers, and finance teams. YOJN.ai, a product by DAO Studio, aims to simplify AI deployment, improve transparency, and provide control and fine-tuning capabilities. CFOs and finance teams can benefit from YOJN by gaining better visibility into costs, returns, and modeling, as well as ensuring transparency in pricing and deployment.

Takeaways

AI is the process of making a system learn certain behaviors and respond accordingly.

Neural networks are used as function approximators in AI systems.

Pre-training and fine-tuning are techniques used in AI models.

Large language models (LLMs) and diffusion models are used for image and text generation.

RAG (retrieval augmented generation) is a technique used in AI architectures.

Controllability, explainability, and decomposability are fundamental problems that hinder the adoption of AI in businesses.

Privacy is a concern for businesses when deploying AI systems.

Open source models are gaining popularity in the AI space due to transparency, collaboration, and the ability to iterate and improve.

The deployment of AI at scale requires collaboration between subject matter experts, product teams, software engineers, and finance teams.

YOJN.ai simplifies AI deployment, improves transparency, and provides control and fine-tuning capabilities for CFOs and finance teams.

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Quotes

"AI is more of a marketing term, but if you think about it, it's about making systems learn behaviors and respond to stimuli."
"When you talk about artificial intelligence, it’s all about making systems intelligent and the challenge is, can these systems self-learn?"
"The AI systems that are all the rage today, which scale well and generalize well, are neural networks, which are essentially function approximators."
"The whole idea of thinking hardware separate, software separate doesn’t really make sense when you’re talking about artificial intelligence."
"The magic of AI lies in its ability to approximate functions and form decision boundaries within data."
"Prompt engineering is a field that's gonna go away as fast as it has come."
"I don't think prompt engineering actually moves any significant needle."
"The challenge with AI systems is that they are not decomposable or deterministic, making them difficult to control and explain."
"Open source is the new favorite word of the day for every company, and everyone has their selfish motives around it."
"Privacy will always be a problem, and it should be. It's all for the good reasons."
"With AI, your entire business would need to be involved because it's not just a research problem, it's a business problem in the end."
"The difference between you calling your engineer to show a demo to your board members and your AI system being consumed daily by your customers is MLOps."
"The first step of governance is being able to explain something; without explainability, you cannot govern it."
"As AI systems evolve, there will be a continuous focus on reliability and better QA systems to really take advantage of AI."
"You won't create a good AI system in one day. It's an iterative approach that requires the involvement of the entire business."
"AI applications are all about the cont...

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