EP 336 — David Lorimer: As Above So Below…

03/11/25 • 122 min

Looking for science news that focuses on consciousness, spirituality and true healing can be hard for the average consumer to find unless you’re Paul (who knows where to look for it).

Meet David Lorimer, program director and global ambassador of the fact-finding Scientific and Medical Network, editor of its companion publication Paradigm Explorer and the author of many books.

David joins Paul for a deep conversation about the growing problems with the politics of science and how it will evolve going forward and what all of this means for our collective humanity plus some poetry, this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about David and his work at the Galileo Commission, Beyond the Brain conference series and Inspiring Purpose. Listen to his podcast, Imaginal Inspirations, on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Check out David on social media via Facebook and LinkedIn.

Timestamps

3:06 What is your boggle threshold?

8:52 The politicization of science.

20:01 The war between pharmaceutical and naturopathic approaches to human health over the past century.

31:57 David reads his poem, It is always time.

41:02 What has science become and how will it evolve going forward?

51:38 Who are the good guys and bad guys?

1:01:42 “If we lose our humanity, we’ve lost everything.”

1:12:48 Reciprocity or instrumentalism?

1:25:39 “You can’t have a theory of everything without consciousness.”

1:34:25 Do you distinguish between the conscious mind and unconscious mind?

1:45:15 Gradual universalization.

Resources

Follow the Science: How Big Pharma Misleads, Obscures and Prevails by Sharyl Attkisson

Paul’s Spirit Gym conversation with Federico Faggin

The Divine Feminine Tao Te Ching: A New Translation and Commentary by Rosemarie Anderson

Survival? Death as a Transition by David Lorimer

A Quest for Wisdom: Inspiring Purpose on the Path of Life by David Lorimer

Find more resources for this episode on our website.

Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears

Thanks to our awesome sponsors:
Paleovalley
BIOptimizers US and BIOptimizers UK PAUL10
Organifi CHEK20
Wild Pastures
Herbal Alchemy Workshop

We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

Looking for science news that focuses on consciousness, spirituality and true healing can be hard for the average consumer to find unless you’re Paul (who knows where to look for it).

Meet David Lorimer, program director and global ambassador of the fact-finding Scientific and Medical Network, editor of its companion publication Paradigm Explorer and the author of many books.

Timestamps

3:06 What is your boggle threshold?

8:52 The politicization of science.

20:01 The war between pharmaceutical and naturopathic approaches to human health over the past century.

31:57 David reads his poem, It is always time.

41:02 What has science become and how will it evolve going forward?

51:38 Who are the good guys and bad guys?

1:01:42 “If we lose our humanity, we’ve lost everything.”

1:12:48 Reciprocity or instrumentalism?

1:25:39 “You can’t have a theory of everything without consciousness.”

1:34:25 Do you distinguish between the conscious mind and unconscious mind?

1:45:15 Gradual universalization.

Resources

Follow the Science: How Big Pharma Misleads, Obscures and Prevails by Sharyl Attkisson

Paul’s Spirit Gym conversation with Federico Faggin

The Divine Feminine Tao Te Ching: A New Translation and Commentary by Rosemarie Anderson

Survival? Death as a Transition by David Lorimer

A Quest for Wisdom: Inspiring Purpose on the Path of Life by David Lorimer

Find more resources for this episode on our website.

Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears

Thanks to our awesome sponsors:
Paleovalley
BIOptimizers US and BIOptimizers UK PAUL10
Organifi CHEK20
Wild Pastures
Herbal Alchemy Workshop

We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

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EP 335 — Russell Sturgess: Tarot For Progressive Enlightenment

What does enlightenment really mean to you?

For some, it can conjure up images of sitting in silence with monks in an ashram for days on end in prayer. For people like Paul and Russell Sturgess, however, the path to enlightenment means something much deeper, more realistic and illuminating at a soul level.

Paul and Russell explore progressive enlightenment by way of the Major Arcana of the Tarot this week on Spirit Gym. (Download this PDF handout and follow along with Paul and Russell as they review the Tarot!)

Explore Russell’s work at his website where you can book a free 15-minute session to learn more about working with him and take courses on the Cathar Code and join his Pathways to Mindfulness mentoring program. Check out his lectures on YouTube.

Paul will also be hosting an exclusive Q&A session with Russell Sturgess for Spirit Gym podcast members at a future date so sign up for your Spirit Gym podcast membership today!

Timestamps

3:08 Russell lives off-the-grid in a modern hesychasm (stillness).

9:59 “Enlightenment is about spiritual awareness.”

18:19 Do you want acquired happiness or innate happiness?

29:35 Grace: The fuel that opens doors and powers your abundance.

36:53 The Fool.

44:14 The most important symbol in the Tarot card deck.

52:28 Are you more awake when you’re sleeping?

57:05 The I am portal.

1:00:00 The Emperor and Empress.

1:08:07 The Magician (a spiritual billboard).

1:15:55 Programming.

1:24:37 Many of the world’s greatest inventions came by the way of dreams.

1:31:00 In a world based on unsustainable values, what you assume is permanent probably won’t be...

1:42:45 “If a picture is worth a thousand words, an archetype is worth millions of images.”

1:56:52 Are you fulfilled, happy or both?

2:01:11 A skill for learning how to be more aware by not using commas in sentences.

2:19:03 The Cathar and catharsis.

2:30:08 A journey of theosis.

Resources

The Spiritual Roots of the Tarot: The Cathar Code Hidden in the Cards by Russell Sturgess

Get Out of Jail Card: A journey of self-worth by Russell Sturgess

Find more resources for this episode on our website.

Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears

Thanks to our awesome sponsors:
Paleovalley
BIOptimizers US and BIOptimizers UK PAUL10
Organifi CHEK20
Wild Pastures
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EP 337 — Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt: Vaporizing Nature For Well-Being

For countless CHEK Institute students and podcast listeners, their first exposure to vaporizing has come from Paul sharing his spiritual practices with plants and herbs.

Knowing that good vaporizing starts and ends with the right plant and herb blends grown organically and made with love and respect for nature, what’s Paul’s go-to source to formulate the perfect Volcano?

Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt describe their process for creating amazing, organically-produced herbs through their Austin-based company, Overblown, and share how Paul inspired them to follow this path, this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Kacie and Tom at Thunder Kite Studio.

For Spirit Gym listeners: Interested in trying Overblown blends? Tom and Kacie are offering Spirit Gym listeners 15 percent off on their first order of herbs and tools. Check out the herbal blends and tools at Overblown and use the promo code spiritgym15 when you check out. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)

Timestamps

6:14 Kacie’s family was blessed with many spiritual gifts, including hypnotism (a talent that came in handy for coaching basketball players).

18:21 Do you and your partner speak the same language?

24:35 “I’ve probably turned more people onto vaporizing than anybody in the world.”

29:43 The parallels between vaporizing and making cocktails.

38:00 A trick about vaporizing Paul learned from Mimi Lindquist and Chase Ramey.

48:10 “Traditionally, smoke is such a powerful alchemical tool.”

52:24 Paul’s ayahuasca experience that blew his mind.

1:01:01 Could smoking cigarettes resemble breath work?

1:05:55 Drink plenty of water while vaporizing herbs.

1:10:47 Kacie’s journey to craft herbal blends that work like “vessels of spirit” and how to use them.

1:26:43 NEVER MIX ayahuasca with LSD.

1:32:41 Why it’s important to use specific herbal blends for specific experiences.

1:41:09 An herbal blend that enhances intimacy.

1:53:10 After tons of research and spreadsheets, Kacie turns to intention, intuition, love and ceremony to formulate her herbal blends.

1:56:05 A huge portal of initiation.

2:03:52 How Paul talks to plants.

Resources

Paul’s Living 4D conversations with Zack Bush, Daniel Mapel and Dr. Nick Berry

Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears

Thanks to our awesome sponsors:
Paleovalley
BIOptimizers US and BIOptimizers UK PAUL10
Organifi CHEK20
Wild Pastures
Herbal Alchemy Workshop

We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

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