
638 - Lawyer Scenes
04/09/24 • 70 min
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John and Craig lawyer up with criminal defense attorney Ken White (aka Popehat) to look at legal scenes in movies and TV, and separate the tropes from the truth.
How do lawyers actually prepare a case? Will they meet a client in jail? Do they need to gather evidence themselves? And what happens when they go to trial? What are the rules for examining witnesses? How often do people represent themselves in court? And do judges really bang their gavel like that?
In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig invite Ken to imagine traveling somewhere worse than prison — the beach.
Links:
- Ken White on BlueSky, Facebook and Threads
- Serious Trouble podcast
- The Popehat Report by Ken White
- Hello, My Name Is Stephen Glass, and I’m Sorry by Hanna Rosin for The New Republic
- LibreOffice
- Sovereign Citizens Getting Owned
- The Rest is History podcast
- Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt!
- Check out the Inneresting Newsletter
- Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription!
- Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram
- John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter
- John on Mastodon
- Outro by Lou Stone Borenstein (send us yours!)
- Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.
Email us at [email protected]
You can download the episode here.
John and Craig lawyer up with criminal defense attorney Ken White (aka Popehat) to look at legal scenes in movies and TV, and separate the tropes from the truth.
How do lawyers actually prepare a case? Will they meet a client in jail? Do they need to gather evidence themselves? And what happens when they go to trial? What are the rules for examining witnesses? How often do people represent themselves in court? And do judges really bang their gavel like that?
In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig invite Ken to imagine traveling somewhere worse than prison — the beach.
Links:
- Ken White on BlueSky, Facebook and Threads
- Serious Trouble podcast
- The Popehat Report by Ken White
- Hello, My Name Is Stephen Glass, and I’m Sorry by Hanna Rosin for The New Republic
- LibreOffice
- Sovereign Citizens Getting Owned
- The Rest is History podcast
- Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt!
- Check out the Inneresting Newsletter
- Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription!
- Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram
- John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter
- John on Mastodon
- Outro by Lou Stone Borenstein (send us yours!)
- Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.
Email us at [email protected]
You can download the episode here.
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637 - Love and Money
John and Craig look at four unbelievable stories in the news and ask, How Would This Be a Movie? Stories include a finance journalist who was scammed out of her savings, men who offer dating bounties, a franken-sheep made of cloned animal parts, and how standardized tests changed one woman’s life.
We also reveal which modern classics we’ve never seen (We meant to! We’re sorry!) to decide which – if any – we need to watch. But first, we follow up on D&D for kids, ESL, AI in reality TV, and Tiffany problems before answering listener questions on formats and recommending your spouse.
In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig look at new guidelines for AI and how they might affect our future.
Links:
- Weekend Read 2
- “Creep” post by @davo_arid on Twitter
- Full list of movies we haven’t seen
- The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger by Charlotte Cowles for The Cut
- Wanted: True Love. Reward: $100,000 by Angela Chen for the NYT
- Montana Man Pleads Guilty to Creating Massive Franken-Sheep With Cloned Animal Parts by Matt Novak for Gizmodo
- How the SAT Changed My Life by Emi Nietfeld for the NYT
- D.C. – What It Is
- Fighting Fantasy books
- LA Hero Workshop
- Sodalitas
- OSR’s Oz and Neverland
- Questlings
- Color My Quest
- WyrdScouts
- The Excellents and Nancy Druid
- Hero Kids
- TTRPGkids
- Hide’n’Treat and Snuffle Mat
- Jaina Grey’s reviews for WIRED
- Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt!
- Check out the Inneresting Newsletter
- Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription!
- Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram
- John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter
- John on Mastodon
- Outro by Tim Brown (send us yours!)
- Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.
Email us at [email protected]
You can download the episode here.
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639 - Intrinsic Motivation
John and Craig can’t help but look at intrinsic motivations — those specific internal drives that guide characters behavior. They discuss how to structure and expose that internal drive, the importance of an innate irritability, how it can stop your characters from becoming flat, and rewarding that intrinsic motivation with choice.
But first, we follow up on AI training, blueprints and “important” movies. We also weigh in on a high-school senior’s college dilemma and answer a listener question on writing with your trailer in mind.
In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig parse out their reasons for why humans may – or may not – ever leave the solar system.
Links:
- My Pal Foot Foot by The Shaggs
- Braid by Jonathan Blow
- Connections from the New York Times
- Q: Who Found a Way to Crack the U.K.’s Premier Quiz Show? by David Segal for The New York Times
- On what motivates us: a detailed review of intrinsic v. extrinsic motivation by Laurel S. Morris, Mora M. Grehl, Sarah B. Rutter, Marishka Mehta, and Margaret L. Westwater
- Why are there so many illegal weed stores in New York City? by PJ Vogt
- Shōgun on FX
- Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt!
- Check out the Inneresting Newsletter
- Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription!
- Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram
- John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter
- John on Mastodon
- Outro by Ben Singer (send us yours!)
- Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.
Email us at [email protected]
You can download the episode here.
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