
SaaS Backwards - Reverse Engineering SaaS Success
Ken Lempit
Join us as we interview CEOs and CMOs of fast-growing SaaS firms to reveal what they are doing that’s working, and lessons learned from things that didn’t work as planned. These deep conversations dive into the dynamic world of SaaS B2B marketing, go-to-market strategies, and the SaaS business model. Content focuses on the pragmatic as well as strategic, providing a well-rounded diet for those running SaaS firms today. Hosted by Ken Lempit, Austin Lawrence Group’s president and chief business builder, who brings over 30 years of experience and expertise in helping software companies grow and their founders achieve their visions.
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Ep. 158 - 97% of SaaS Churn at First Opportunity is Decided in the First 90 Days—Onboarding Is the Key
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03/14/25 • 31 min
Guest: Srikrishnan Ganesan, Co-Founder & CEO of Rocketlane
Most B2B SaaS leaders know that onboarding is important but underestimate its impact.
The reality is that 97% of churn at first opportunity is decided in the first 90 days, making onboarding the most critical stage in the customer journey and the defining factor in revenue growth and long-term customer success.
In this episode, Sri Ganesan, Co-Founder and CEO of Rocketlane, shares how SaaS companies can transform onboarding from a fragmented process into a strategic advantage. From community-led growth to automation-driven efficiency, he reveals what top SaaS companies do differently to drive retention, expansion, and revenue acceleration.
Key Takeaways:
- Onboarding Determines Retention & Growth: The first 90 days define whether customers will churn or expand.
- Community-Led Growth Builds Credibility: Building an engaged audience before launch fosters trust and momentum.
- Automation Eliminates Inefficiency: Siloed tools slow teams down; all-in-one platforms drive success.
- Market Validation is Critical: The biggest factor in startup success isn’t the product—it’s picking the right market.
Sri shares actionable strategies for SaaS CMOs and CROs to create onboarding experiences that drive retention, expansion, and revenue acceleration—making this episode a must-listen.
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Ep. 145 - The Death of the MQL: A New Playbook for SaaS CROs
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12/06/24 • 31 min
Guest: Randy Likas, Head of North America Go-to-Market at Nektar
Traditional marketing tactics are losing their edge, with MQLs falling short as costly, outdated signals of real buyer intent.
In this week’s episode, we explore tactics for CROs to tackle the “great ignore” with guest Randy Likas, Head of North America Go-to-Market at Nektar, a revenue efficiency platform that unifies customer interaction data and helps you discover new revenue opportunities.
Randy discusses how CROs must reevaluate their playbooks and processes, focusing on how to re-engineer strategies and redeploy technology to align with emerging trends in buyer behavior–positioning the CRO role as not just operational but transformational.
Key insights you'll gain:
- How changing buyer behaviors, like the "great ignore," are reshaping outreach strategies
- Why MQLs are losing relevance and how to focus on buying groups instead
- How breaking down silos between sales, marketing, and success boosts revenue efficiency
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting
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Ep. 121 - The Art of the Exit: SaaS Strategies and Insights - with Jeremy Lessaris, CEO of Payment Brokers
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05/03/24 • 36 min
Building a business with the intention of a future sale requires meticulous planning and organization from the outset.
In this episode, Payment Brokers Founder and CEO Jeremy Lessaris, a serial founder with multiple successful exits, emphasizes the importance of the early organization of books, records, contracts, and agreements as a critical factor in boosting valuation and streamlining the exit process.
Jeremy also stresses the significance of maintaining a well-organized data room for due diligence during a business sale. He recommends creating a dashboard with KPIs and metrics to provide a clear overview of the company's performance and demonstrate the business's progress to potential buyers.
Throughout this episode, Jeremy explains how SaaS entrepreneurs can position their companies for a seamless exit process and maximize their valuation when it comes time to sell.
This episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs and CMOs seeking strategies for accelerating growth, enhancing profitability, and understanding the importance of building a business with a focus on revenue and profitability from the start.
Key takeaways from this episode:
- Focusing on revenue generation early
- Keeping costs low while striving to reach revenue milestones
- The value of mentorship in helping entrepreneurs navigate business challenges
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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Ep. 115 - Data, Combating SaaS Churn, and Increasing Productivity - with Jason Radisson, CEO & Founder of Movo
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03/22/24 • 36 min
In this episode, we delved into the transformative power of algorithms in business with Jason Radisson, CEO & founder of Movo, a platform that provides real-time scheduling flexibility and improved workforce management for large companies with frontline workers.
Jason recounted his time at Harrah's Entertainment, where they used data to optimize customer interactions and significantly increase profitability over others on the strip. He explains how his background in algorithmic management has influenced his approach to business models.
Jason also shares his thoughts on combatting SaaS churn by identifying the root causes and understanding customer behavior to accurately predict and deal with it proactively.
This episode covers algorithmic management, churn reduction strategies, the gig economy, and innovative solutions for optimizing workforce management. SaaS CEOs and CMOs interested in understanding the intersection of technology, workforce management, and operational efficiency would find valuable insights in this episode.
Key Takeaways from this episode:
- The importance of modeling and forecasting to drive profitability, especially in the context of reducing churn
- Building models to predict customer behavior to leverage marketing spend
- The challenges and opportunities of the gig economy
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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Ep. 114 - Navigating SaaS Growth: Warmly's Strategic Pivot to Category Creation - with Alan Zhao, Head of Marketing
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03/15/24 • 38 min
As a startup with shaky product market fit, prospective customers often want to associate you with a mature category so they can determine where it might fit in their tech stack—or not.
But for Warmly, the existing categories represented only a small subset of their capabilities—albeit cheaper than the mature tools.
And they couldn’t just settle for being known as "Drift but cheaper.”
In this episode, Alan Zhao details his transition from CTO to marketing chief, a move that was pivotal in steering Warmly’s narrative away from established market constructs and taking control over the narrative that would differentiate itself from the myriad of sales tools on the market.
This episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs and CMOs looking to accelerate growth and enhance profitability through autonomous revenue orchestration and AI chat solutions.
Other key takeaways from this episode:
- The pros and cons of “category creation” to set yourself apart from competitors
- The importance of tailoring your message to address specific pain points for each segment
- How to better understand the buyer journey of the 95% of those who visit your website but don’t fill out a form
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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💡 It’s completely free.
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Ep. 108 - Building Strong Visitor Relationships in SaaS - With Dan Rua, CEO of Admiral
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01/19/24 • 33 min
We’ve all been frustrated by those pesky ads that pop up when trying to read an article.
We understand that publishers are trying to capture more of that lost ad revenue, but the solution is not to create such a poor experience that it drives consumers away.
And the rise of ad blockers is not the only problem for publishers.
The decline of traditional tracking methods due to privacy regulations and browser changes, such as the death of the cookie, threatens the business model even more.
Dan Rua, CEO of Admiral, believes that both publishers and visitors need to care more about each other.
Through their Visitor Relationship Management platform (VRM), publishers can offer visitors different value exchanges based on their preferences, such as ad-free experiences, email relationships, or subscriptions.
The results for publishers are a no-brainer, receiving an almost immediate return on investment for many.
Other key takeaways from this episode:
- Focus on solving specific problems first – Admiral started with ad block recovery as their beachhead and became the best in the world.
- How they went from founder-led sales to a scalable machine once they’d achieved product-market fit.
- The benefits of having a strong product team as founders and how they understood everything that’s needed to contribute to revenue early on.
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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Ep. 106 - Unlocking Growth Through Effective Pricing in SaaS - with Patrick Meegan, Senior Partner at Maple Street Advisors
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01/05/24 • 34 min
Pricing is often the most overlooked “P” in the SaaS marketing mix. We see it in our marketing practice often.
Companies may be averse to raising prices for fear of losing customers, focusing on other priorities like product development, or simply don’t understand the impact on the business.
In this episode, we caught up with Pat Meegan, Senior Partner at Maple Street Advisors, who talks about assessing the opportunity for pricing growth regularly by looking at four key indicators:
- Leadership doesn't have a clear pricing strategy that everyone can point to and have confidence in.
- Inactivity in pricing for a significant period (six months to a year).
- Market data that indicates the potential for better pricing or an optimized pricing structure.
- Value-added to the product without corresponding pricing adjustments
And given the risks such as customer churn or dissatisfaction, Meegan provides insights into how companies can approach pricing to drive growth and satisfy both their customers and investors.
Key Takeaways from this episode:
- How to evaluate a DIY approach to pricing or bringing in an external advisor
- How to determine if pricing is a lever you can pull for growth and profitability
- How to pressure test new pricing strategies to mitigate churn risk
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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Ep. 105 - Finding SaaS Product-Market Fit - With Anvil Co-Founder Mang-Git Ng
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12/29/23 • 27 min
When going through a repetitive and time-consuming mortgage application process in 2017, Mang-Git Ng was surprised that the process wasn’t automated.
He realized that there were many industries that still operated in the internet dark ages and that moving all these PDFs and paper documents to online forms could solve a major problem.
But after he and his co-founder had built their initial product, they struggled to gain traction, especially with limited sales and marketing experience.
Through much experimentation, they started identifying patterns in their customer base and certain industries (like human resources workforce management and insurance) that had a need for generating, processing, and signing documents, and their product was a great solution.
By focusing on these verticals, Anvil was able to deeply understand the challenges and language used in these industries, allowing them to speak to their target customers more effectively.
Six years later, Anvil is a seven-figure ARR SaaS company that has raised $10M in funding.
Key takeaways from this episode:
- Finding patterns in your customer base that can be exploited for niche-based selling
- How to sell to companies that are resistant to change
- Why you should focus on sales and marketing early in the process
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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And the best part?
💡 It’s completely free.
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Ep. 103 – How a SaaS Company Gets Agreement on a Problem Worth Solving – with Chuck Fuerst, CMO of ReverseLogix
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12/15/23 • 32 min
You’ve probably never thought about what goes on behind the scenes when you return a product, but there’s a lot to it.
In this episode of the SaaS Backwards podcast, Chuck Fuerst, CMO at ReverseLogix, gives a look behind the scenes at some of the challenges and opportunities in the returns management system category.
And because it’s so complicated, their go-to-market strategy requires problem agreement to be considered. And because companies enter different stages of problem awareness, the company has adopted a modular approach to pricing and packaging that allows them to take advantage of a land-and-expand strategy.
Overall, the Fuerst emphasizes their need to stay close to customers, understand their pain points, and deliver value through a comprehensive solution that addresses their needs one step at a time.
Key Takeaways from this episode:
- How active listening shapes their messaging and positioning
- Building credibility and validation through analyst relations
- How ReverseLogix takes a modular approach to pricing to fit their land and expand strategy
Other resources to check out:
Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.
The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.
And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.
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And the best part?
💡 It’s completely free.
No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos.
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Ep. 160 - AI Is Rewriting the SaaS Playbook—Are You Ready?
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04/04/25 • 38 min
Guests: Ken Lempit, James Ollerenshaw, & Rob Curtis
AI is transforming SaaS—but not in the way most leaders think.
Forget the headlines claiming "SaaS is dead." The real shift isn't just in tools—it's in how fast software is built, marketed, and bought.
In this episode, Rob Curtis (VC-backed founder), Ken Lempit (SaaS GTM strategist), and James Ollerenshaw (AI advisor) break down what AI means for the future of SaaS—and why B2B CROs and CMOs need to rethink their strategy now or risk falling behind.
From the death of mid-market software to the rise of agentic AI, they map out how SaaS leaders can adapt, differentiate, and thrive in this new reality.
Key Takeaways:
- Agentic AI is here: Build for agents, not just users.
- The middle is collapsing: Niche depth and data win.
- Ideas now beat execution: Speed favors bold builders.
- Risk fuels innovation: GTM teams lead AI adoption.
- Data is your moat: Structured models drive defensibility.
Ken, Rob, and James offer B2B SaaS leaders a high-level yet practical view of what’s next—and what it’ll take to win in an AI-native world. If you’re a CRO or CMO thinking about survival and scale in 2025, this episode is your blueprint.
Plus, don’t miss:
👉 Rob Curtis’s AI Venture Studio – StandUp Hiro, where he’s building AI-native tools at lightning speed
👉 Rob’s Substack – Future Work, where he shares front-line insights on building in the agentic age
👉 This Crunchbase article on why VCs are betting on Human x AI teams over foundational models
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SaaS Backwards - Reverse Engineering SaaS Success currently has 160 episodes available.
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The podcast is about Marketing, Management, Cmo, Saas, Software, Podcasts, Business and B2B.
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The episode title 'Ep. 120 - The Role of AI in SaaS Solutions: A Deep Dive - with Brandon Most, Head of Marketing at GoLinks' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on SaaS Backwards - Reverse Engineering SaaS Success is 31 minutes.
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