
Episode 95: What Was Web 2.0?
01/14/22 • 27 min
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Petros Koutoupis about Air Tags and the generations of the web.
Reality 2.0 around the web:
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Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
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- Byway FAQ – Customer Commons — The Intention Byway—or Byway for short—is a way to move messages of intent between customers and companies, buyers and sellers, demand and supply, anywhere in any value chain or among a collection of participants. Its goal is to maximize the quality and volume of economic signaling by everyone and to expand the range of economic activity that can take place in a networked marketplace.
- Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> My first impressions of web3 — Despite considering myself a cryptographer, I have not found myself particularly drawn to “crypto.” I don’t think I’ve ever actually said the words “get off my lawn,” but I’m much more likely to click on Pepperidge Farm Remembers flavored memes about how “crypto” used to mean “cryptography” than I am the latest NFT drop. Also – cards on the table here – I don’t share the same generational excitement for moving all aspects of life into an instrumented economy. Even strictly on the technological level, though, I haven’t yet managed to become a believer. So given all of the recent attention into what is now being called web3, I decided to explore some of what has been happening in that space more thoroughly to see what I may be missing.
- Matt Mullenweg on Twitter: "People seem to be redefining Web 2.0 as Facebook, etc, that own data, but Web 2.0 at the time was platforms like WordPress, Odeo, Six Apart, Flickr, Technorati, and https://t.co/vlhR5g6fkg that had open data and interoperated. https://t.co/PXuZBaLbP2 https://t.co/sJJT8kyaJG" / Twitter
- What Is Web 2.0 - O'Reilly Media — The concept of "Web 2.0" began with a conference brainstorming session between O'Reilly and MediaLive International. Dale Dougherty, web pioneer and O'Reilly VP, noted that far from having "crashed", the web was more important than ever, with exciting new applications and sites popping up with surprising regularity. What's more, the companies that had survived the collapse seemed to have some things in common. Could it be that the dot-com collapse marked some kind of turning point for the web, such that a call to action such as "Web 2.0" might make sense? We agreed that it did, and so the Web 2.0 Conference was born.
- Apple AirTags being used to track cars and stalk victims, police warn — The Apple AirTag is a device created to help people keep track of their misplaced items. But the seemingly harmless tool is being used by some to track people and commit car thefts. As authorities investigate these incidents, the devices are raising privacy and security concerns.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Petros Koutoupis about Air Tags and the generations of the web.
Reality 2.0 around the web:
Site/Blog/Newsletter
FaceBook
Twitter
YouTube
Mastodon
Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Links:
- Byway FAQ – Customer Commons — The Intention Byway—or Byway for short—is a way to move messages of intent between customers and companies, buyers and sellers, demand and supply, anywhere in any value chain or among a collection of participants. Its goal is to maximize the quality and volume of economic signaling by everyone and to expand the range of economic activity that can take place in a networked marketplace.
- Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> My first impressions of web3 — Despite considering myself a cryptographer, I have not found myself particularly drawn to “crypto.” I don’t think I’ve ever actually said the words “get off my lawn,” but I’m much more likely to click on Pepperidge Farm Remembers flavored memes about how “crypto” used to mean “cryptography” than I am the latest NFT drop. Also – cards on the table here – I don’t share the same generational excitement for moving all aspects of life into an instrumented economy. Even strictly on the technological level, though, I haven’t yet managed to become a believer. So given all of the recent attention into what is now being called web3, I decided to explore some of what has been happening in that space more thoroughly to see what I may be missing.
- Matt Mullenweg on Twitter: "People seem to be redefining Web 2.0 as Facebook, etc, that own data, but Web 2.0 at the time was platforms like WordPress, Odeo, Six Apart, Flickr, Technorati, and https://t.co/vlhR5g6fkg that had open data and interoperated. https://t.co/PXuZBaLbP2 https://t.co/sJJT8kyaJG" / Twitter
- What Is Web 2.0 - O'Reilly Media — The concept of "Web 2.0" began with a conference brainstorming session between O'Reilly and MediaLive International. Dale Dougherty, web pioneer and O'Reilly VP, noted that far from having "crashed", the web was more important than ever, with exciting new applications and sites popping up with surprising regularity. What's more, the companies that had survived the collapse seemed to have some things in common. Could it be that the dot-com collapse marked some kind of turning point for the web, such that a call to action such as "Web 2.0" might make sense? We agreed that it did, and so the Web 2.0 Conference was born.
- Apple AirTags being used to track cars and stalk victims, police warn — The Apple AirTag is a device created to help people keep track of their misplaced items. But the seemingly harmless tool is being used by some to track people and commit car thefts. As authorities investigate these incidents, the devices are raising privacy and security concerns.
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Episode 94: The Fun Holiday Episode
Katherine Druckman, Doc Searls, Shawn Powers, and Kyle Rankin talk about everything from microphones to roombas to pottery in our last episode of 2021.
Reality 2.0 around the web:
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Special Guests: Kyle Rankin and Shawn Powers.
Links:
- Amazon.com: Heil Sound PR 40 Dynamic Cardioid Studio Microphone Bundle with PRSM Shock Mount (Black), Two-Section Broadcast Arm and Microphone Cable : Musical Instruments — Doc's mic.
- Amazon.com: Electro-Voice RE20 Microphone Kit with Shockmount, Two-Section Broadcast Arm and Microphone Cable : Musical Instruments — Shawn's mic.
- Blue - Yeti — Katherine's mic.
- The Great (TV Series 2020– ) - IMDb
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- Spot Plushie — Shawn’s furry creation.
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Episode 96: Absolute Privacy Through Cryptography
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Dave Huseby about privacy, cryptography, and authentic data.
Reality 2.0 around the web:
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Special Guest: Dave Huseby.
Links:
- Memorandum on Improving the Cybersecurity of National Security, Department of Defense, and Intelligence Community Systems | The White House — This memorandum sets forth requirements for National Security Systems (NSS) that are equivalent to or exceed the cybersecurity requirements for Federal Information Systems set forth within Executive Order 14028 of May 12, 2021 (Improving the Nation’s Cybersecurity), and establishes methods to secure exceptions for circumstances necessitated by unique mission needs.
- Guess which government doesn't want you to use end-to-end encryption — From a privacy point of view, there is much to love about end-to-end encryption, as employed by the likes of WhatsApp. But while users may delight in the knowledge that their communication is free from surveillance, there are some groups that have a different opinion.
- I Got Access to My Secret Consumer Score. Now You Can Get Yours, Too. - The New York Times — Little-known companies are amassing your data — like food orders and Airbnb messages — and selling the analysis to clients. Here’s how to get a copy of what they have on you.
- Black Teen Kicked Out Of Roller Rink Over Face Recognition | News | BET — A face recognition-equipped Detroit roller rink reportedly kicked out a Black teen on June 10 after misidentifying her as a person who’d allegedly gotten into a fight there in March.
- The principles of user sovereignty | by dwh | UX Collective — The first time I heard the phrase “user sovereignty” was while working at Mozilla on the Firefox web browser. Firefox ostensibly follows user sovereign design principles and respects its users. Mozilla has even baked it into their list of design principles on page 5 of the Firefox Design Values Booklet. But what does “user sovereignty” actually mean and what are the principles that define user-sovereign design?
- A Unified Theory of Decentralization | by dwh | The Startup | Medium — All networks begin as only one thing; one neuron, one cell, one chip, one computer, or one user. One entity alone is not a network, but it is the starting point for understanding the unified theory of decentralization. One entity is fully sovereign, it has no connections to anything else that might influence or control it. One entity in isolation is empowered to act however it wants to strive for whatever results it seeks.
- The Web was Never Decentralized. Redecentralize the web is a fantasy | Design Warp — There are so many people today focused on “re-decentralizing the web.” They have a popular belief that when the web was invented it was a wonderfully optimistic vision of decentralization, governed by democratic principles and full of free information available...
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