
Principled
By Matt Hall and Naomi Ward
Welcome to Season Three of Principled, from MSB.
This season offers international school leaders a provocation to think differently about the future of education and their role in the creation of this future. It is an opportunity to continue thinking seriously and deeply about the legacy that school leaders leave behind through concerted action in the present.
To frame this provocation, we will be bringing together the latest research and thinking about futures-focused leadership, alongside insights from interviews with experts from across the international school sector and beyond.
Each episode we will explore a different domain, and in the following episode we will put the thinking through its paces with a panel of school leaders - some highly experienced, some new in role and some emerging.
Episodes will go live every other Monday.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
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03/15/23 • 36 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Doug Lemov about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: how the rise of smartphones and social media has led to an increase in anxiety and depression - and why making schools a safe space can help massively; why clicking in a classroom can be a positive reinforcement tool; and why children often value being pushed to achieve things they never thought possible through the high expectations of a coach or teacher.
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To get in touch with Doug, find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglemov/
Teach Like A Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/
Buy Doug's book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doug-Lemov/e/B002ZC7PI6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1674035565&sr=1-1
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Ep7 Michael Cahill - Managing Endings
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03/29/23 • 33 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Michael Cahill from Coaching Constellations about how to best manage the exit process.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why managing endings is crucial, not just to those directly involved, but also to those remaining who may get a glimpse of their own future; how a sense of belonging can be fostered across multiple organisations and industries; and why an employee's notice period needn't warrant their exclusion from important strategic decision making.
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To get in touch with Michael, find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelcahill1/
Coaching Constellations: https://coachingconstellations.com/about/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

04/12/23 • 28 min
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Julie Rees about belonging within the curriculum.
They discuss various topics based on the theme of belonging, including:
- How to welcome new and transferring students quickly and effectively by allowing them their own space
- Why making students feel safe enough to express themselves honestly can lead to great things
- The importance of creating carefully thought-out values within the curriculum.
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To get in touch with Julie, you can find her online here:
Ledbury Primary School: https://www.ledbury.hereford.sch.uk/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-rees-1a34a365/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/julierees100?lang=en
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

06/21/23 • 36 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better revisit a popular episode from Season 1 of Principled. Episode 6 featured author Doug Lemov, chatting about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.
Doug's analytical approach to effective teaching made a lasting impact on the hosts. They discussed the importance of making schools a safe space; positive reinforcement tools; and how we can encourage children to achieve things they never thought possible.
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To get in touch with Doug, find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglemov/
Teach Like A Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/
Buy Doug's book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doug-Lemov/e/B002ZC7PI6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1674035565&sr=1-1
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

11/22/23 • 29 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world.
In part 1 of a fascinating and value-packed conversation, they discuss why data is a question and never an answer, why good intentions aren’t always enough, and the complexity of organisational health and wellness.
Does community wellbeing depend up in the wellbeing of the most marginalised? What role does discomfort play in creating truly diverse and inclusive environments? And how can we address the submerged complexities that lead to the often over-simplified emergent symptoms?
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To get in touch with Matthew, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/savageeducation/?originalSubdomain=uk
The Mona Lisa Effect: https://monalisaeffect.me/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

01/03/24 • 35 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Candice Smith, meeting & workshop facilitator, coach, and founder of The Thinking Field, through which she helps leaders to “create cultures of collaboration, inclusion, belonging and innovation.”
They discuss the responsibility we have to acknowledging the influence of previous generations, the importance of intentionality in setting up organisations that help our bodies and minds to thrive, and the tension between building profit and building a culture of thinking.
What is a ‘thinking environment’ and how can we actively create one? What is the role of collaboration, deep listening, and connection in this mission? How much damage can interrupting someone really do?
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To get in touch with Candice, you can find her online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candice-smith-a76944a/
The Thinking Field: https://www.thethinkingfield.com/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

The Ecological Domain, with Noan Fesnoux
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12/16/24 • 31 min
With the effects of climate change all around us, discussion of the future must involve ecological considerations, but our guest in this episode invites us to think beyond environmental concerns, and to treat education itself as ecology.
In this discussion with Noan Fesnoux, we touch on reframing our expectations of consumption and our relationship with our environment, schools as metacognitive hubs, and the role international schools can play in leading change.
Noan Fesnoux is currently Creative Adviser to the Museum of the Future in Dubai. A person who first and foremost loves people and nature, he works with schools globally to embed place-based and project-based learning into their school culture. Starting as the Green Studies teacher at Green School Bali, he evolved and grew the program to become an integrated and school-wide experience. As Project Coordinator at the same school, he created an immersive middle and high school experience, LEAP Academy.
He went on to seed the vision and start Real School Budapest, a school built around project-based learning. A life long learner who strives to design and build learning environments which amplify the already mighty intrinsic human potential, Noan is also an entrepreneur who is unafraid to take on new challenges as long as the actions are driven by a desire to be more sustainable.
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Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at -
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

02/15/23 • 30 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Roy Leighton.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why inclusion is so vital but belonging can potentially be dangerous - in a certain context; why he's always been fascinated by the work of Johan Galtung; and how safe, sacred spaces can be truly transformative to a school.
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To find the resources Roy mentioned, look here:
Positive Peace Cambridge: https://www.positivepeacecambridge.org/
CPERG: https://www.cperg.org/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roy-leighton-mphil-cantab-frsa-6b0254/?originalSubdomain=uk
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

09/27/23 • 35 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by renowned poet and theologian, Pádraig Ó Tuama.
They're kicking off their exploration of systemic and organisational health from the perspective of a poet, discussing poetry as an unpredictable language event; the important secondary purpose of all organisations that should not be overlooked; and the role of courage and innovation in teaching .
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To get in touch with Pádraig , you can find him online here:
LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/p%C3%A1draig-%C3%B3-tuama-4a7b36225
Website : https://www.padraigotuama.com/
Podcast : https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

02/02/23 • 26 min
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Joe Heap, the Festival Director of the Towersey Festival.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why there is so much to learn about a sense of belonging from a long-running festival; the role that ancestry and history can potentially play in helping to foster a sense of identity within schools; and how people can feel the spirit of belonging in vastly different ways.
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To get in touch with Joe, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-heap-3650092/
Towersey Festival: https://www.towerseyfestival.com/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
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How many episodes does Principled have?
Principled currently has 39 episodes available.
What topics does Principled cover?
The podcast is about Society & Culture, Learning And Development, Podcasts, Education and Coaching.
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The episode title 'Ep1: Introduction to Principled' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on Principled is 32 minutes.
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Episodes of Principled are typically released every 14 days.
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The first episode of Principled was released on Jan 18, 2023.
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