
Dr. Harriette Rasmussen, Dr. Mohammed Raei, & Dr. Jonathan Reams - The Diverse Drivers of Trust
01/04/23 • 43 min
Dr. Harriette Rasmussen is an assistant clinical professor at Drexel University's School of Education, where she teaches doctoral courses in leadership, writing, and qualitative research and supervises doctoral research. Through her firm HTR Consulting, she has consulted internationally about leadership, learning networks, organizational effectiveness, and community engagement. Her clients have included The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Washington State Board of Education, the American Institutes for Research, and school districts ranging from 800 to 50,000. She was a member of the consultant cohort piloting integration of Harvard’s Graduate School of Education, Business School, and the Kennedy School for educational leaders and served as a faculty member for the Coach Learning Program of Harvard’s Change Leadership Group. She has been widely published in trade journals and contributed to Change Leadership: A Practical Guide to Transforming Our Schools.
Dr. Mohammed Raei is an independent scholar, leadership and organization development consultant, executive coach, and dissertation coach. He has consulted on strategic planning, program evaluation, and 360° feedback. Additionally, he facilitated workshops on trust, adaptive leadership, and immunity to change. He also served as the programming chair for the Pacific Northwest Organizational Development Network (PNODN). He is the co-editor of Adaptive Leadership in a Global Economy. He presented for various professional organizations, including Puget Sound Project Management Institute and the ICF (Jordan and Seattle chapters), and several times at the ILA conference. In addition to adaptive leadership, his other scholarly interest area is spirituality and leadership. He resides in Amman, Jordan.
A Quote From This Episode
- "When you lead, you are going to disappoint people. Change is hard. Loss is challenging...so you can’t ask people to give something up unless they trust that they will be okay."
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
- APA Dictionary of Psychology: Holding Environment
- Book: Trust in Schools: A Core Resource for Improvement by Bryk & Schneider
- Book: The Thin Book of Trust by Chris Feltman
- Book: Unleash Your Complexity Genius by Berger & Coughlin
- Book: Evolving Self by Kegan
- Book: The H-factor by Sowcik
More About Series Co-Host, Dr. Jonathan Reams
- Jonathan's Website
- Book:
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Dr. Harriette Rasmussen is an assistant clinical professor at Drexel University's School of Education, where she teaches doctoral courses in leadership, writing, and qualitative research and supervises doctoral research. Through her firm HTR Consulting, she has consulted internationally about leadership, learning networks, organizational effectiveness, and community engagement. Her clients have included The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Washington State Board of Education, the American Institutes for Research, and school districts ranging from 800 to 50,000. She was a member of the consultant cohort piloting integration of Harvard’s Graduate School of Education, Business School, and the Kennedy School for educational leaders and served as a faculty member for the Coach Learning Program of Harvard’s Change Leadership Group. She has been widely published in trade journals and contributed to Change Leadership: A Practical Guide to Transforming Our Schools.
Dr. Mohammed Raei is an independent scholar, leadership and organization development consultant, executive coach, and dissertation coach. He has consulted on strategic planning, program evaluation, and 360° feedback. Additionally, he facilitated workshops on trust, adaptive leadership, and immunity to change. He also served as the programming chair for the Pacific Northwest Organizational Development Network (PNODN). He is the co-editor of Adaptive Leadership in a Global Economy. He presented for various professional organizations, including Puget Sound Project Management Institute and the ICF (Jordan and Seattle chapters), and several times at the ILA conference. In addition to adaptive leadership, his other scholarly interest area is spirituality and leadership. He resides in Amman, Jordan.
A Quote From This Episode
- "When you lead, you are going to disappoint people. Change is hard. Loss is challenging...so you can’t ask people to give something up unless they trust that they will be okay."
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
- APA Dictionary of Psychology: Holding Environment
- Book: Trust in Schools: A Core Resource for Improvement by Bryk & Schneider
- Book: The Thin Book of Trust by Chris Feltman
- Book: Unleash Your Complexity Genius by Berger & Coughlin
- Book: Evolving Self by Kegan
- Book: The H-factor by Sowcik
More About Series Co-Host, Dr. Jonathan Reams
- Jonathan's Website
- Book:
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Dr. Marianne Roux has 30 years of global experience as an HR Executive, Future of Work Strategist, and Professor of Leadership. She holds a Master's degree in HR and Organisational Psychology and is completing her Ph.D. in Leadership in the Future of Work context. She currently runs Roux Consulting, a global niche consulting firm based in Dublin, Ireland, and regularly teaches at Business Schools around the world.
She has worked for PWC, Accenture, Deloitte, and Mercer and has held two HR Director roles in two countries - Woolworths Food South Africa and Cricket Australia. Her experience spans several industries, and she focuses mainly on Future of Work Strategy, Leadership Development, Organisation Redesign, and HR transformation.
She has recently published a book on Adaptive HR and a Personal Agility reflection journal: Knowing Your Superpowers is the Key to Your Success in a Changing World, and she is featured in Maturing Leadership: How Adult Development Impacts Leadership.
She was chosen as one of 52 Inspirational women at work in South Africa in 2004, one of 20 Female Entrepreneurs by Management today in 2011 in Australia, and in 2015 she won the excellence in NFP consulting award from the Worldwide Who’s Who.
A Quote From This Episode
- "The biggest challenge, I can tell you for sure, is keeping the very senior leaders on board for that long journey of lifelong development."
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
- Article: The Many Faces of JEDI: A Developmental Exploration
- Book: CEO Excellence: The Six Mindsets That Distinguish the Best Leaders from the Rest
- Poet/Author: John O'Donahue
More About Series Co-Host, Dr. Jonathan Reams
- Jonathan's Website
- Book: Maturing Leadership: How Adult Development Impacts Leadership
- Art
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Dr. Chuck Palus, John McGuire, & Dr. Jonathan Reams - The Both/And Reality
Charles J. (Chuck) Palus, Ph.D., is an Honorary Senior Fellow at the Center for Creative Leadership (retired 2020). He studies, teaches, and develops leadership as a relational process within the context of the vertical transformation of leadership cultures. He is co-founder of CCL Labs, a community-based innovation laboratory with a line of products including Visual ExplorerTM, Leadership EssentialsTM, TransformationsTM, and the Early Leadership ToolkitTM. He is co-author of the award-winning book The Leader’s Edge; and the papers: Making Common Sense: Leadership as Meaning-Making in a Community of Practice, and Evolving Leaders. His work appears in Leadership Quarterly, Harvard Business Review, the Harvard Business School Handbook for Teaching Leadership, the CCL Handbook of Leadership Development, the Handbook of Action Research, and the Change Handbook.
John McGuire, Principal of the McGuire Consultant Group, an Honorary Senior Fellow at the Center for Creative Leadership, co-founder and practice leader of CCL’s Organizational Leadership Transformation practice, and an Action Inquiry Associate charter member. He specializes in Vertical Leadership Culture as the core mechanism in his change leadership methodology for transforming executives, their teams, and organizations. As an action-research practitioner, speaker, and author, John’s innovation essentially reforms traditional change methods to be consciously driven toward senior leadership’s culture, developing interdependent beliefs and practices. Since 2006 his publications comprise the book Transforming Your Leadership Culture, and articles in Leadership Quarterly, Forbes, and the Washington Post. John has assisted organizations across market sectors in transforming toward Interdependent Leadership Cultures and previously practiced vertical transformation through senior business management positions across industries. He holds master’s degrees from Harvard and Brandeis Universities.
A Quote From This Episode
- "It’s this underlying yin-yang idea of balance of things that seem very different, but they’re, in fact, a unity. And that’s what we want to emphasize."
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
- Making common sense: Leadership as meaning making in a community of practice
- Vertical Transformation of Leadership Culture
- Bernoulli’s Fallacy: Statistical Illogic and the Crisis of Modern Science
by Clayton - How Invention Begins by Lienhard
More About Series Co-Host, Dr. Jonathan Reams
- Jonathan's Website
- Book:
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Practical Wisdom for Leaders with Scott J. Allen, Ph.D. - Dr. Harriette Rasmussen, Dr. Mohammed Raei, & Dr. Jonathan Reams - The Diverse Drivers of Trust
Transcript
Note: Voice-to-text transcriptions are about 90% accurate, and conversations-to-text do not always translate perfectly. I include it to provide you with the spirit of the conversation.
Scott Allen 0:01
Okay, everybody, welcome to this week's episode of Phronesis. Hope you are doing well wherever you are in the world. This week we have a co-host, Jonathan Reams, and you have already listened to most likely, if you haven't, you might want to go back and do th
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