
Evo Terra on Podcasting in 2005 to Where Podcasting Goes Next
03/04/22 • 49 min
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In this episode, I chat with Evo Terra, host of Podcast Pontifications and founder of Simpler Media. Evo has been podcasting since 2004, so you can be sure he's brought the goods when it comes to the podcasting industry today.
Evo Knows Podcasting
Apart from his highly regarded show, Podcast Pontifications, Evo has also launched several other podcasts since starting way back in 2004. This includes personal projects and those for clients - in fact, when you put them all together, it comes to over 1,000 podcast. It's safe to say Evo knows what he's talking about when it comes to podcasting.
The Journey to Diversity in Podcasting
One of the podcasts Evo is involved in is Three Clips from Castos. What's cool about this show is its goal to share some of the more creative approaches being taken when it comes to podcasting. On top of that Evo shares how he's stepping back from hosting the show so more diverse voices can lead it, something that - thankfully - seems to be happening more in the podcasting space.
The Changing Face of Production and Consumption
Having been podcasting for 17 years now, Evo's seen a lot of changes in the industry, especially when it comes to how we create and consume podcasts. From being a very insular space only for tech heads to being able to create a podcast with just your phone, the industry makes it super easy for anyone to start a podcast. No more downloading mp3 files to CD to listen back to!
The Argument for and Against RSS Feeds
One thing that's remained consistent with podcasting over the years is the delivery system - the old and trusted RSS feed. However, while that's the de facto method of podcast delivery at the moment, there's a lot of talk and development about either making the RSS feed more interactive, or replacing it altogether. Evo talks on why RSS needs to change, and who he's betting on to make that happen.
The Argument for Super Niche
One of the ways Evo sees podcasting in the future is for podcast apps and listeners to become super niche, as opposed to a one size catch all. He offers the example of Apollo, where they only publish fiction podcasts. This limits the podcasts on the app - but also makes sure it's laser focused on the audience they want to attract. It's this kind of nicheness that Evo feels could benefit podcasting moving forward.
How Evo Helped Early Adopters to Podcasting
As well as a hugely respected podcaster, Evo is also a published author, and was one of the original co-authors of Podcasting For Dummies (I have a copy of it in my wife's library!). So he's been a huge influence on a generation of podcasters from the early days, possibly without them realizing it.
Radio - The Grandfather of Podcasting
A lot of podcasters, for whatever reason, seem to talk down when it comes to radio. Which is surprising, given how without radio, whether terrestrial or internet, there might be no podcasting industry today. Indeed, this is how Evo got started, and without his experiences there he admits he probably wouldn't be where he is today.
What Podcasting Needs to Do to Improve
As a podcasting veteran, Evo has pretty much seen it all when it comes to tools technology, and more. This includes the ease in which new podcasters can get started. However, with this ease comes a downside, and that's podcasters that may not know the benefit of audio optimization, editing, and more. Here. Evo shares why - despite podcasting becoming mainstream - there's a big need for education for these new podcasters, to help them and their show be the best it can be for their listeners.
Every innovation has made podcasting easier. But I'm not convinced most of them make it any better.The Importance of Education
For many new podcasters, they take inspiration from the big shows they listen to - a Serial, for example, or a Joe Rogan. The problem, as Evo shares, is that because of their audience size, they can get away with just throwing an episode out minus editing. This isn't the case for new podcasters - so how much should the industry do to make a standard when it comes to sound, as well as educating podcasters the importance of the basics?
The Validation of Podcasting
In the last few months and years, podcasting has seen a huge influx of money enter the space. Most of that has come from Spotify buying exclusive rights to certain podcasts. While that may upset some listeners, Evo sees this as validation of our industry as a serious medium, as well as allowing creators to experiment and do things they might not be able to elsewhere.
Why Indie Podcasters Need to Be Better
<...In this episode, I chat with Evo Terra, host of Podcast Pontifications and founder of Simpler Media. Evo has been podcasting since 2004, so you can be sure he's brought the goods when it comes to the podcasting industry today.
Evo Knows Podcasting
Apart from his highly regarded show, Podcast Pontifications, Evo has also launched several other podcasts since starting way back in 2004. This includes personal projects and those for clients - in fact, when you put them all together, it comes to over 1,000 podcast. It's safe to say Evo knows what he's talking about when it comes to podcasting.
The Journey to Diversity in Podcasting
One of the podcasts Evo is involved in is Three Clips from Castos. What's cool about this show is its goal to share some of the more creative approaches being taken when it comes to podcasting. On top of that Evo shares how he's stepping back from hosting the show so more diverse voices can lead it, something that - thankfully - seems to be happening more in the podcasting space.
The Changing Face of Production and Consumption
Having been podcasting for 17 years now, Evo's seen a lot of changes in the industry, especially when it comes to how we create and consume podcasts. From being a very insular space only for tech heads to being able to create a podcast with just your phone, the industry makes it super easy for anyone to start a podcast. No more downloading mp3 files to CD to listen back to!
The Argument for and Against RSS Feeds
One thing that's remained consistent with podcasting over the years is the delivery system - the old and trusted RSS feed. However, while that's the de facto method of podcast delivery at the moment, there's a lot of talk and development about either making the RSS feed more interactive, or replacing it altogether. Evo talks on why RSS needs to change, and who he's betting on to make that happen.
The Argument for Super Niche
One of the ways Evo sees podcasting in the future is for podcast apps and listeners to become super niche, as opposed to a one size catch all. He offers the example of Apollo, where they only publish fiction podcasts. This limits the podcasts on the app - but also makes sure it's laser focused on the audience they want to attract. It's this kind of nicheness that Evo feels could benefit podcasting moving forward.
How Evo Helped Early Adopters to Podcasting
As well as a hugely respected podcaster, Evo is also a published author, and was one of the original co-authors of Podcasting For Dummies (I have a copy of it in my wife's library!). So he's been a huge influence on a generation of podcasters from the early days, possibly without them realizing it.
Radio - The Grandfather of Podcasting
A lot of podcasters, for whatever reason, seem to talk down when it comes to radio. Which is surprising, given how without radio, whether terrestrial or internet, there might be no podcasting industry today. Indeed, this is how Evo got started, and without his experiences there he admits he probably wouldn't be where he is today.
What Podcasting Needs to Do to Improve
As a podcasting veteran, Evo has pretty much seen it all when it comes to tools technology, and more. This includes the ease in which new podcasters can get started. However, with this ease comes a downside, and that's podcasters that may not know the benefit of audio optimization, editing, and more. Here. Evo shares why - despite podcasting becoming mainstream - there's a big need for education for these new podcasters, to help them and their show be the best it can be for their listeners.
Every innovation has made podcasting easier. But I'm not convinced most of them make it any better.The Importance of Education
For many new podcasters, they take inspiration from the big shows they listen to - a Serial, for example, or a Joe Rogan. The problem, as Evo shares, is that because of their audience size, they can get away with just throwing an episode out minus editing. This isn't the case for new podcasters - so how much should the industry do to make a standard when it comes to sound, as well as educating podcasters the importance of the basics?
The Validation of Podcasting
In the last few months and years, podcasting has seen a huge influx of money enter the space. Most of that has come from Spotify buying exclusive rights to certain podcasts. While that may upset some listeners, Evo sees this as validation of our industry as a serious medium, as well as allowing creators to experiment and do things they might not be able to elsewhere.
Why Indie Podcasters Need to Be Better
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Change, or Lack Of, in Audio?
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Where Next for RSS?
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Why Transcripts Need to Improve
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Respecting What Creators Want
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02:28 The Biggest Changes in Media Broadcasting from 2004 to 2022
04:01 The Impact of RSS on the Podcasting Industry
05:59 The Benefits of Podcast Transcript Tags
10:53 The Importance of Transcripts for Podcasts
11:58 The Differences in Advertising Acceptance Between Countries
16:30 The Impact of Advertising and Listener Support on the Podcast Industry
19:50 The Process of Publishing a Daily Newsletter and Podcast Episode
30:59 The Future of Podcasting: An Industry on the Rise
38:46 The Impact of 'Indie' on Podcasting
41:55 The Benefits of Dynamic Programmatic Advertising
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Pod Chat - Evo Terra on Podcasting in 2005 to Where Podcasting Goes Next
Transcript Summary
In this episode of the podcast, Danny and Evo, both experienced individuals in the industry, delve into the world of podcasting. Evo offers valuable advice for podcasters, emphasizing the importance of listening to their own shows after production, using good quality headphones, and adjusting audio carefully to enhance the overall experience. He also discusses notable changes in podcasting since he first began in 2004, highlighting the shift from CDs to easily accessible devices for listening. Evo explores the significance of RSS feeds and potential advancements like Podcasting 2.0. He suggests that platforms should provide more guidance and support for podcasters, emphasizing the importance of education and improving production quality. Additionally, Evo shares insights on the growth of podcasting, the presence of indie podcasters, and how they can compete by improving editing skills, investing in audio equipment, and focusing on content quality. This episode provides valuable information on enhancing the podcasting experience while highlighting the exciting developments and opportunities within the industry. Whether you're a budding podcaster or an avid listener, this episode offers worthwhile insights and actionable tips for success.
Transcript
So if you think back at all the innovations that have happened from the time that Apple said, hey, we're going to put podcast inside of iTunes 4.9 in the summer of 2005. Every innovation after that, almost every innovation after that app has made podcasting easier, but I'm not convinced most of them make it any better.
Danny:Today I'm super stoked to welcome Evo Terra to the show, a name that anyone in podcasting shou
Evo Terra on Podcasting in 2005 to Where Podcasting Goes Next Top Questions Answered
How can podcasting platforms improve user experience beyond filling out RSS feeds?
Podcasting platforms can improve by providing more guidance and assistance to users, improving user interfaces, and preventing common problems.
What do podcasters need to understand about editing and other basics of podcasting?
Podcasters need to understand the importance of editing and investing in their skills, equipment, and environment.
Is podcasting attracting attention from big companies and receiving significant investment?
Yes, the podcasting industry is attracting a lot of money and attention from big companies.
What are the challenges faced by indie podcasters in the podcasting space?
Indie podcasters face competition from well-funded shows, but they still have a place in the podcasting space.
What should podcasters focus on to ensure quality in their shows?
Podcasters should focus on quality and invest in their skills, equipment, and environment.
What can podcasters do to identify areas for improvement in their shows?
Podcasters can listen to their own shows after production to identify areas for improvement.
How can podcasters assess their audio quality accurately?
Podcasters can use high-quality headphones to assess audio quality and make necessary adjustments.
Why is it important for podcasters to listen to their shows on different platforms?
Listening to shows on different platforms helps ensure that the audio sounds good across various environments.
What is the book "The Beer Diet" about?
"The Beer Diet" is a book by Evo Terra that documents his experience with a diet consisting of beer and sausage.
What is Evo Terra's online presence and podcast for podcasters?
Evo Terra is on Twitter (@Evotera) and hosts the podcast "Podcast Pontifications" aimed at helping podcasters improve their craft.
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