TBG 52 - Tiger Town

02/23/25 • 102 min

Ellen Adair and Eric Gilde discuss the 1983 Disney movie "Tiger Town." They introduce the film (1:52), with an overview of the story, cast, and filmmakers. They review the 20-80 baseball scouting grades for rating the film (6:16). Amount of Baseball (12:47) considers photos of baseball, tight shots, and slow-mo, with reference to Wesley Snipes in "Major League." Don't hate the player comp. Baseball Accuracy (20:36) discusses the "Angels in the Outfield Without the Literal Angels" premise and the quantum physics observation principle, Roy Sheider's age and athleticism, the Tigers' record of the previous 30 years, Al Kaline, and the 1968 World Series vs. the Cardinals (Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Orlando Cepeda, Roger Maris). Eric shouts-out to Gate Brown, and Ellen breaks down the Tigers' required second-half winning percentage. Billy Young's batting average and RBI are problematic. The scouts also examine Alex's Dream Ballet, weekday games for the 1983 Tigers, Sparky Anderson, and score discrepancies in the final game. Storytelling (43:53) considers the various beliefs and superstitions and many issues with the cinematic storytelling. Why is the dad both unemployed and dying, and why the structural suddenness of his death? Why isn't there a B plot? Are we in MOMA? From whence this disposable income? Why not help anyone else? The ride to the stadium is long but that bike deal is absolutely INSANE. The Score (1:11:46) debates the usage of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame," the Renn Faire music, and the drum solo. In Acting (1:17:21), they assess Justin Henry's performance as a young actor, Roy Scheider's limited involvement, and the atrocious scenes with mom. Delightfulness of Catcher (1:21:11) doesn't offer much, but Delightfulness of Announcer (1:21:27) appreciates the inclusion of Ernie Harwell, Al Ackerman, and Ray Lane. Lack of Misogyny (1:24:32) bemoans the lack of development or consistent point-of-view for the mother, with a brief digression about the "Star Spangled Banner" record. No spoilers on the following segments: Yes or No (1:28:51), Six Degrees of Baseball (1:32:18), Favorite Moment (1:33:13) Least Favorite Moment (1:35:48), Scene We Would Have Liked to See (1:37:15), Dreamiest Player (1:38:34), Favorite Performance (1:39:06), Review Thank You (1:40:10) and Next Time (1:40:22).

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TBG 51 - Summer Catch

Ellen Adair and Eric Gilde discuss the 2001 movie "Summer Catch." They introduce the film (1:15), with an overview of the story, cast, and filmmakers, and diatribe about the title. They review the 20-80 baseball scouting grades for rating the film (5:35), with a why-not metaphor. Amount of Baseball (10:20) is helped by the fullness of the baseball narratives. Baseball Accuracy (12:54) attacks the film's mysterious attitude towards relief pitching and warming up, with the sub-category Brian Dennehy Is a Bad Manager. They dive into the Cape Cod Summer League history and a few CCBL alum (Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Nomar Garciaparra, Mo Vaughn, Frank Thomas, Carlton Fisk, Pie Traynor, Henry Davis, Spencer Torkelson, Adley Rutschman, Casey Mize, Pat Burrell, Aaron Nola, Jason Varitek, Chase Utley), the use of wooden bats in CCBL, Chatham A's championships, and Cape Cod League baseball cards. There are some in/accuracies with scouting and signing (references to Joe Mauer and Adrian Gonzalez), signing deadlines (references to Stephen Drew, Jered Weaver). The scouts wonder about the sample size on Billy's batting average, issues with the Hyannis Mets, and the practicality of the Greg Maddux advice. WTFork with the called/swinging strikes. Velocity then and now! Ellen predictably gets into the Phillies lineup at the end (Bobby Abreu, Jimmy Rollins, Doug Glanville, Marlon Anderson, Mike Lieberthal, Pat Burrell, Travis Lee). Points for the Batavia Muckdogs. Storytelling (44:55) tries to sort out the preponderance of storylines, including the American Pie / Bull Durham mashup plaguing Dom (Wilmer Valderrama). Ellen outlines this movie's early assault on rational thought. Is Dede an ally or a hindrance? Why is Tenley interested in Ryan? Does this movie think this league is important? What are the stakes for these characters? Can we get some consistent points-of-view pls? Everyone Has to Be a Ten, fat phobia, other issues with Miles's (Marc Blucas) storyline, and the extremely, extremely weird relationship with the Mulligan siblings. The Score (1:19:09) weighs the onslaught of pop music, highlights including LL Cool J, Tarsha Vega, and the Dandy Warhols, with the hotel lounge jazz combo score. Acting (1:22:21) considers the performances of Jessica Biel, Freddie Prinze Jr., Brittany Murphy, Matthew Lillard, Brian Dennehy, Fred Ward, Bruce Davison, and John C. McGinley. Everyone deserved better. Delightfulness of Catcher (1:27:27) balances Matthew Lillard's charisma and the good pitcher/catcher dynamic with the unheroic things about the character. Delightfulness of Announcer (1:25:11) generally appreciates Curt Gowdy's contributions to the film. Lack of Misogyny (1:22:21) considers the fat phobia / misogyny Venn Diagram, but appreciates the character of Katie Parrish, and has a brief digression on the topic of her search for a mascot for the A's. A quick psychoanalysis of the writers of this film, vis-a-vis their depiction of female characters. No spoilers on the following segments: Yes or No (1:41:54), Six Degrees of Baseball (1:48:42), Favorite Moment (1:50:12) Least Favorite Moment (1:51:34), Scene We Would Have Liked to See (1:54:47), Dreamiest Player (1:57:16), Favorite Performance (1:58:11), Review Thank You (2:00:35) and Next Time (2:00:54).

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TBG 53 - Reverse the Curse

Ellen Adair and writer/director/filmmaker Scott Leger discuss the 2023 film "Reverse the Curse," written by and starring David Duchovny. Introduction to Mr. Leger (0:35) and then an introduction to REVERSE THE CURSE (5:39) with cul-de-sac into where Scott and Ellen were when the Red Sox won in 2004, which is not at all what this movie is about, to our surprise. A summary of the film (12:57), followed by discussion of writer/director and other leads. We review the 20-80 scouting scale (17:02), meet Scott's Scouting Director (17:39) and then begin with Amount of Baseball (19:00). Mostly, the lack of baseball has these scouts cranky, plus how this led to Ellen's mammoth discovery of how this is a Trojan Horse of a Red Sox movie, changing literally everything. Baseball Accuracy (30:09) discusses the curse reversal possibility within the film, Harry Frazee's sale of Babe Ruth being erroneously attributed to "No No Nanette," the film failing to reckon with the larger context, ie, 1986 or 1975 and the oddness of it being set in 1978, a rundown of what happened in the Red Sox 1978 season since this movie doesn't really get into it, the Boston Massacre, everything that happened in the 1978 tie-breaking game, background on Ron Guidry and Mike Torrez, context on Bucky Dent, bad blood between Reggie Jackson, Thurman Munson and Jackson and Billy Martin, the origin story of the "Mr. October" nickname, the inaccuracy of the Red Sox final eight games, and the inaccuracy in Marty's final monologue. Storytelling (56:51) dives in on superstition in sports and the equivalence of your team losing an important game and death, along with the utility of the tribalism. They discuss the ways in which the film undercuts Marty's Red Sox fandom, the disappearance of the Eva Gonzalez plotline and the issues this creates, Marty & Teddy trying to get to the tie-breaking game, Marty's attachment to the Red Sox, David Duchovny as multi-hyphenate, this story as novel vs. screenplay, the aging makeup, and the dialogue. An Intermission: Nine Innings with Scott Leger! (1:19:15) The Score Tool (1:26:00) discusses music by Vincent Jones and the album Africa by Amanaz. Acting (1:30:03) considers the performances of David Duchovny, Logan Marshall Green, Stephanie Beatriz, Pamela Adlon, Daphne Rubin-Vega, Jason Beghe, Evan Handler, Santo Fazio, and Bryce Feeser. In Delightfulness of Catcher Character (1:37:06), Ellen talks about Carlton Fisk because this movie does not. Delightfulness of Announcer (1:38:45) weighs Colin Cosell as "Sports Broadcaster" plus Dick Stockton and Ken Harrelson. Lack of Misogyny (1:39:44) discusses the well-roundedness of the love interests and Marty's occasional misogyny. No spoilers on the following segments: Yes or No (1:41:42) Six Degrees of Baseball (1:44:17) Favorite Moment (1:44:41) Least Favorite Moment (1:45:40) Scene We'd Like to See (1:46:23) Dreamiest Player (1:46:52) and Favorite Performance (1:47:22). Find Scott Leger on @scotterybarn on Twixter and Bluesky and @scotbot3000 on IG and Ellen @ellen_adair on Twixter, @ellenadair on Bluesky and Tikotk, and @ellenadairg on IG.

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