
149. Presenting: ‘The Way Out Is In’ with Christiana Figueres
04/14/22 • 114 min
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As many around the world turn inward this week, we bring you a special episode featuring Christiana Figueres from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast.
Many of us are looking for a way out of the crises we face. Climate, biodiversity, ecological, nature, health, wealth inequality...not to mention the deeply personal, familial, and interpersonal. A quick log in to twitter, checking the news, or reading the latest IPCC report reveals to us that we are on a path towards breakdown. We know there is a pathway out of this ‘atlas of human suffering’ as United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres recently said, but how do we chart that path?
This week, we suggest that the way out of suffering is in it.
Today we are sharing an episode from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast, produced by Plum Village, the Buddhist Monastery founded by the Late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thich Nhat Hanh and his teachings were a vital support to Christiana in the lead up to the Paris Agreement and beyond.
In this episode, you’ll hear co-hosts Jo Confino and Brother Pháp Hữu invite Christiana on to share deeply about what brought her to Plum Village, both now and years ago during her first encounter with Thich Nhat Hanh; her journey to a spiritual practice that helped her overcome a personal crisis, and the transformative power of practices such as ‘deep listening’ and ‘interbeing’ on the negotiation process of The Paris Agreement.
So get comfortable, settle in, and join us for a special listen to Episode #21 of ‘The Way Out Is In’ - Being the Change We Want to See in the World: A Conversation with Christiana Figueres
[Content warning: This episode includes mentions of suicidal thoughts at 00:25:00 for approximately two minutes – listeners who could find this discussion distressing may wish to skip this section.]
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Christiana + Tom’s book ‘The Future We Choose’ is available now!
Subscribe to our Climate Action Newsletter!
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Links from the episode:
Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To Listen To:
Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet
Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin
WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube
READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh
DOWNLOAD: The Plum Village App
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A special thanks this week to Plum Village!
Brother Phap Huu
Abbot | Upper Hamlet in Plum Village
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
Jo Confino
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
Plum Village
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
Plum Village App
Thich Nhat Hanh
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Keep up with Christiana Figueres online:
Tom Rivett-Carnac:
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Paul Dickinson:
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Follow @GlobalOptimism on social media and send us a message!
As many around the world turn inward this week, we bring you a special episode featuring Christiana Figueres from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast.
Many of us are looking for a way out of the crises we face. Climate, biodiversity, ecological, nature, health, wealth inequality...not to mention the deeply personal, familial, and interpersonal. A quick log in to twitter, checking the news, or reading the latest IPCC report reveals to us that we are on a path towards breakdown. We know there is a pathway out of this ‘atlas of human suffering’ as United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres recently said, but how do we chart that path?
This week, we suggest that the way out of suffering is in it.
Today we are sharing an episode from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast, produced by Plum Village, the Buddhist Monastery founded by the Late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thich Nhat Hanh and his teachings were a vital support to Christiana in the lead up to the Paris Agreement and beyond.
In this episode, you’ll hear co-hosts Jo Confino and Brother Pháp Hữu invite Christiana on to share deeply about what brought her to Plum Village, both now and years ago during her first encounter with Thich Nhat Hanh; her journey to a spiritual practice that helped her overcome a personal crisis, and the transformative power of practices such as ‘deep listening’ and ‘interbeing’ on the negotiation process of The Paris Agreement.
So get comfortable, settle in, and join us for a special listen to Episode #21 of ‘The Way Out Is In’ - Being the Change We Want to See in the World: A Conversation with Christiana Figueres
[Content warning: This episode includes mentions of suicidal thoughts at 00:25:00 for approximately two minutes – listeners who could find this discussion distressing may wish to skip this section.]
—
Christiana + Tom’s book ‘The Future We Choose’ is available now!
Subscribe to our Climate Action Newsletter!
—
Links from the episode:
Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To Listen To:
Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet
Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin
WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube
READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh
DOWNLOAD: The Plum Village App
—
A special thanks this week to Plum Village!
Brother Phap Huu
Abbot | Upper Hamlet in Plum Village
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
Jo Confino
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
Plum Village
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
Plum Village App
Thich Nhat Hanh
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Keep up with Christiana Figueres online:
Tom Rivett-Carnac:
Instagram | Twitter | LinkedIn
Paul Dickinson:
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Follow @GlobalOptimism on social media and send us a message!
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148. The Future is Intersectional with Leah Thomas
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
MLK (1963)
This week, we reject our flawed, siloed thinking and embrace the oneness of social justice and environmentalism as a singular, inclusive movement.
In the Summer of 2020, our guest, Leah Thomas, coined the term “Intersectional Environmentalism” with a graphic she shared to Instagram that read, “Environmentalists For Black Lives Matter” as a call out to all environmentalists to stand in solidarity with BIPOC communities that face compounding social and environmental injustices daily. The Instagram post went viral, and the pledge she introduced along with it, The IE Pledge, has reached over a million people.
And so now that it’s 2022 and counting, how can we continue to root ourselves in that moment of clarity in 2020 and hold to the truth that you don’t have to separate race or racial justice from environmental advocacy? How can we scale climate solutions while advocating for marginalized communities all the while not making excuses for extractive industries?
We’re also joined this week by special co-host Abigael Kima, a young energy expert and climate activist from Kenya .She is the producer and host of the new Hali-Hewa (Swahili for ‘Climate Change’) podcast, which will profile African activists and climate experts airing through to COP27 on themes including a just energy transition, loss and damage, youth participation in intergovernmental processes and indigenous rights.
And —- Stick around for 3-Time GRAMMY Award Winning Artist Fantastic Negrito performing a live version of his song, “Rolling Through California”!
Enjoy the show!
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Christiana + Tom’s book ‘The Future We Choose’ is available now!
Subscribe to our Climate Action Newsletter!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
ACT: Take the Intersectional Environmentalist Pledge
LISTEN: IE’s Brand New Podcast ‘The Joy Report’
READ: MAPS (Marine Arctic Peace Sanctuary)
WATCH: How Black Lives Matter and Environmental Justice Are Connected
READ: The NAP Ministry
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Thanks to our guest this week, Leah Thomas!
Leah Thomas
Founder | Intersectional Environmentalist
Intersectional Environmentalist
Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Website | Patreon
BUY: The Intersectional Environmentalist by Leah Thomas
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Thank you to our Co-Host this week, Abigael Kima!
Abigael Kima
Host and Producer | Hali Hewa Podcast
Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook
Hali Hewa Podcast
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Our musical guest this week is Fantastic Negrito!
Fantastic Negrito
Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | YouTube | Spotify | Apple Music | TikTok
WATCH: ‘Highest Bidder’
READ: New Film + Album “White Jesus Black Problems” coming June 3rd
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Keep up with Christiana Figueres online:
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150. Earth Day Special: The Environmental Music Prize! with Edwina Floch
Australia is turning up the volume on environmentalism for the world to hear!
If you turned on your favorite music radio station, would you know we’re in a crisis?
Only 1% of songs in National Australian premier radio station Triple J’s Hottest 100 (2.5M+ votes) over the last 5 years directly referenced environmental issues...and that’s following mass bleaching of The Great Barrier Reef, The devastating Australian Bushfires of 2019-2020, AND a recent study before COP26 that reported 75% of Australians are concerned about climate change.
So why is Australian mainstream music so culturally disconnected from a population overwhelmingly environmentalist? We know artists, bands, and musicians have been and are currently creating environmentally-minded music, so how do we get those songs into the mainstream?
Our guest today, Edwina Floch, recently launched The Environmental Music Prize - A new $AU 20,000 prize that amplifies the voices of artists who inspire action for climate and conservation. The prize launched during the UN Climate Summit, and it's a global first and a call-to-action for artists to create and submit powerful music videos that celebrate nature and encourage us to defend it.
Every movement needs anthems. The search is on!
Enjoy the show and stick around to hear some amazing music from music artists Montaigne, In Hearts Wake, Little Green, Billy Otto, and King Stingray!
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Christiana + Tom’s book ‘The Future We Choose’ is available now!
Subscribe to our Climate Action Newsletter!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
WATCH: All the Music Videos by the finalists for The Environmental Music Prize!
VOTE: Vote for your favorite Environmental Music Prize finalists!
DONATE: Keep The Environmental Music Prize going!
LEARN: Learn more about The Environmental Music Prize!
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Thanks to our guest this week, Edwina Floch!
Edwina Floch
Founder | Environmental Music Prize
Environmental Music Prize
Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Website
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A massive thank you to all our musical guests this week:
Montaigne
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
WATCH: ‘Ready’ Music Video (feat. School Strike For Climate Activist Fergus Clarkson)
In Hearts Wake
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
Little Green
Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
Billy Otto
Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
King Stingray
Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
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Keep up with Christiana Figueres online:
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