
Why Gavin Ortlund Is Wrong About Catholics
01/05/25 • 62 min
In this episode, I respond to a recent video made by Gavin Ortlund called, “Are Catholics Christians? Why Protestants Can Say YES”. Gavin argues that early Reformation theologians like Martin Luther and John Calvin both believed that Catholics are saved. He also makes a postmodern argument for church unity.
In my response, I cover John Calvin’s actual thoughts on whether Catholics can be considered “Christians”. I talk about the problems with elitist “intellectuals” like Gavin Ortlund ripping old theologians out of context to push a postmodern, liberal narrative. I also discuss the dangers of referring to church history and old theologians before referencing the Bible. I give a more detailed breakdown of the Catholic and Protestant doctrines of justification and how they are fundamentally opposed to each other. Finally, I talk about what the Bible has to say about people like Gavin Ortlund who distort doctrine and words for personal gain. I hope you enjoy!
Books mentioned:
Institutes of the Christian Religion - John Calvin
Roman Catholic Theology and Practice: An Evangelical Assessment - Gregg R. Allison
Other books to read related to this topic:
Justification: An Introduction - Thomas Schreiner
Scripture Mentioned:
Galatians 1: 6-10 (ESV)
Romans 1:17 (ESV)
1 Timothy 6:3-10 (ESV)
2 Timothy 4:1-8 (ESV)
James 2:18 (ESV)
2 Peter 2:1-22 (ESV)
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In this episode, I respond to a recent video made by Gavin Ortlund called, “Are Catholics Christians? Why Protestants Can Say YES”. Gavin argues that early Reformation theologians like Martin Luther and John Calvin both believed that Catholics are saved. He also makes a postmodern argument for church unity.
In my response, I cover John Calvin’s actual thoughts on whether Catholics can be considered “Christians”. I talk about the problems with elitist “intellectuals” like Gavin Ortlund ripping old theologians out of context to push a postmodern, liberal narrative. I also discuss the dangers of referring to church history and old theologians before referencing the Bible. I give a more detailed breakdown of the Catholic and Protestant doctrines of justification and how they are fundamentally opposed to each other. Finally, I talk about what the Bible has to say about people like Gavin Ortlund who distort doctrine and words for personal gain. I hope you enjoy!
Books mentioned:
Institutes of the Christian Religion - John Calvin
Roman Catholic Theology and Practice: An Evangelical Assessment - Gregg R. Allison
Other books to read related to this topic:
Justification: An Introduction - Thomas Schreiner
Scripture Mentioned:
Galatians 1: 6-10 (ESV)
Romans 1:17 (ESV)
1 Timothy 6:3-10 (ESV)
2 Timothy 4:1-8 (ESV)
James 2:18 (ESV)
2 Peter 2:1-22 (ESV)
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Why The Catholic - Protestant Divide Is Important (A Follow Up To The Last Podcast)
In this episode I give a more in depth argument against Gavin Ortlunds claims about Catholics and Protestants. All of the sources are below. I hope you enjoy!
Books Mentioned/Recommendations:
Christianity and Liberalism - J. Greham Machen
How Should We Then Live? - Francis Schaeffer
The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self - Carl Trueman
Philosophical Definitions:
Liberalism: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/
Expressive Individualism: https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/report/how-expressive-individualism-threatens-civil-society
Postmodernism: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/
Resolutions for Roman Catholic and Evangelical Dialogue
Definitions on Justification:
Protestant (Reformed): https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/essay/justification-and-the-protestant-reformation/
Catholic: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08573a.htm
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