Susan Cadogan
10/03/24 • 36 min
A short-sighted librarian who prides herself on being responsible, reliable and getting home early, Anne ‘Susan’ Cadogan might have been a surprising match for the legendary producer Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry. But it was her version of Hurt So Good, produced by Scratch in 1975, that saw Susan catapult to fame. As the song rose up the UK charts, Susan found herself on a flight out of Jamaica and booked to appear on Top of the Pops.
It was her first brush with pop stardom but Susan was determined to do it her way. She refused to wear the revealing clothes pushed by the costume department, refused their choreographed dance moves, and barely wore any make up. Her performance remains one of the most arresting of the time, foreshadowing the arrival of the Lovers Rock scene.
Susan is a brilliant storyteller. In this interview with Zakia she discusses her split personality between Anne, the dedicated librarian, and Susan, the performer, the early days of the Black Ark studio, passing the chalice with John Holt, and whether there might be love on the cards with the original writer of Hurt So Good.
Like many Jamaican performers, Susan never received any royalties for Hurt So Good. She discusses her frustrations around the music industry but how she still holds our hope for a cheque in the post. Despite that and the physical challenges of older age, Susan is still performing. In this sparkling interview Susan proves herself to be equal parts steely and sweet. Watch out toyboys.
Presenter - Zakia Sewell
Producer - Alannah Chance
Music composition - Jennifer Walton
Mix-Mastering - Sol King
Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
A short-sighted librarian who prides herself on being responsible, reliable and getting home early, Anne ‘Susan’ Cadogan might have been a surprising match for the legendary producer Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry. But it was her version of Hurt So Good, produced by Scratch in 1975, that saw Susan catapult to fame. As the song rose up the UK charts, Susan found herself on a flight out of Jamaica and booked to appear on Top of the Pops.
It was her first brush with pop stardom but Susan was determined to do it her way. She refused to wear the revealing clothes pushed by the costume department, refused their choreographed dance moves, and barely wore any make up. Her performance remains one of the most arresting of the time, foreshadowing the arrival of the Lovers Rock scene.
Susan is a brilliant storyteller. In this interview with Zakia she discusses her split personality between Anne, the dedicated librarian, and Susan, the performer, the early days of the Black Ark studio, passing the chalice with John Holt, and whether there might be love on the cards with the original writer of Hurt So Good.
Like many Jamaican performers, Susan never received any royalties for Hurt So Good. She discusses her frustrations around the music industry but how she still holds our hope for a cheque in the post. Despite that and the physical challenges of older age, Susan is still performing. In this sparkling interview Susan proves herself to be equal parts steely and sweet. Watch out toyboys.
Presenter - Zakia Sewell
Producer - Alannah Chance
Music composition - Jennifer Walton
Mix-Mastering - Sol King
Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hieroglyphic Being
Jamal Moss has been making music in Chicago under the moniker Hieroglyphic Being since 1994. His music is deeply rooted in the influential house and techno scenes of the city but also draws on the avant-garde and jazz. His music is both dark and transcendent, mechanical and organic.
In this interview he unpacks the origins of these dualities, describing how he was raised by his adopted parents on the city’s jazz greats but discovered dance music in the club aged 12 after being brought along by an uncle who had business to attend to. Too young to enter the building, the young Jamal felt the vibrations from outside, and he was hooked.
In this frank interview we learn about his early days running club nights in Chicago, how his adopted father’s position in the Masons gave him certain insight on the inner workings of the city, his unapologetic days as a gigolo and his rejection of the term AfroFuturist. Oh and he also dabbles in nanotechnology.
Hieroglyphic Being makes music to serve humanity, and when he’s not doing that you’ll find him throwing avocados at squirrels. Don’t Assume.
This interview was recorded at the end of 2023, and includes music with generous permission from Hieroglyphic Being.
Tracks in order:
Hieroglyphic Being - The Flying Men of Zimbabwe
Hieroglyphic Being - The Language of Strings
Hieroglyphic Being - The Mystery of the Rose
Hieroglyphic Being - Being Awake and Energize
Hieroglyphic Being - THANKS FOR THE TRACKS U LOST
Hieroglyphic Being - Fuck the Ghetto, think about outer space
Discover Hieroglyphic Being on NTS [https://www.nts.live/artists/2391-hieroglyphic-being]
Presenter - Zakia Sewell
Producer - Alannah Chance
Recording - Si Richards
Music composition - Jennifer Walton
Mix-Mastering - Sol King
Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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RP Boo
Is this the happiest man in dance music? Kevain Space, better known as RP Boo, is widely regarded as one of the originators of footwork, a high-energy, syncopated form of electronic dance music from Chicago. Starting his career in the 1990s, RP Boo started out as a dancer and a DJ before developing his signature sound, which blends rapid beats, chopped-up samples, and frenetic rhythms designed to accompany fast-paced footwork moves.
In this Don’t Assume interview Zakia and Boo get into the origins of Footwork in West Chicago, how the music evolved in lock step with the dancefloor and the influence of one dancer in particular who they were always trying to outpace. Boo talks about getting inspiration from the everyday, making songs out of the drinks machine at the garage where he worked or from overhead snatches of conversation.
Boo’s energy is infectious, busting moves from the moment he got in, despite just having landed from Chicago and getting Zakia up to teach her some footwork basics. His take on life is that you can be spiritual while having fun, words to live by.
Presenter - Zakia Sewell
Producer - Alannah Chance
Music composition - Jennifer Walton
Mix-Mastering - Sol King
Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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