NTS Don't Assume with Zakia

A short-sighted librarian who prides herself on being responsible, reliable and getting home early, Anne ‘Susan’ Cadogan might have been a surprising match for the legendary producer Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry. But it was her version of Hurt So Good, produced by Scratch in 1975, that saw Susan catapult to fame. As the song rose up the UK charts, Susan found herself on a flight out of Jamaica and booked to appear on Top of the Pops.

It was her first brush with pop stardom but Susan was determined to do it her way. She refused to wear the revealing clothes pushed by the costume department, refused their choreographed dance moves, and barely wore any make up. Her performance remains one of the most arresting of the time, foreshadowing the arrival of the Lovers Rock scene.

Susan is a brilliant storyteller. In this interview with Zakia she discusses her split personality between Anne, the dedicated librarian, and Susan, the performer, the early days of the Black Ark studio, passing the chalice with John Holt, and whether there might be love on the cards with the original writer of Hurt So Good.

Like many Jamaican performers, Susan never received any royalties for Hurt So Good. She discusses her frustrations around the music industry but how she still holds our hope for a cheque in the post. Despite that and the physical challenges of older age, Susan is still performing. In this sparkling interview Susan proves herself to be equal parts steely and sweet. Watch out toyboys.

Presenter - Zakia Sewell

Producer - Alannah Chance

Music composition - Jennifer Walton

Mix-Mastering - Sol King

Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS

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In the 1960s Vashti Bunyan burned all her possessions, saddled up a horse and cart and set off for Donovan’s Scottish island with her boyfriend. So far, so pastoral. But Vashti’s story is not a counter cultural fantasy, and Vashti is not the folksy heroine people assume she is.

Vashti was born in 1945 in Newcastle, named after a rebel queen from Persia and she lives up to her namesake’s reputation. The singer-songwriter started out with ambitions to be a popstar, but was quickly disillusioned by the music industry. After releasing a few singles which fell on deaf ears, she set out on her now infamous horse-drawn journey to Donovan’s commune on the Hebrides. Along the way she wrote her debut album, Just Another Diamond Day. It was largely ignored on release but when it was re-issued in 2000 it gained a cult following and is now considered a psych-folk classic, lauded for its delicate beauty, even though folk was never a genre Vashti related to.

In this real meeting of minds, Vashti and Zakia talk about Vashti’s punk approach to quiet music, her experience of being rejected from a class on music technology for being ‘too old’ and the importance of dreaming for a better future. It’s fair to say that Vashti continues to do things her own way and her own, softly-spoken version of a rebel queen.

Discover Vashti Bunyan on NTS

Presenter - Zakia Sewell

Producer - Alannah Chance

Music composition - Jennifer Walton

Mix-Mastering - Sol King

Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS

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Jamal Moss has been making music in Chicago under the moniker Hieroglyphic Being since 1994. His music is deeply rooted in the influential house and techno scenes of the city but also draws on the avant-garde and jazz. His music is both dark and transcendent, mechanical and organic.

In this interview he unpacks the origins of these dualities, describing how he was raised by his adopted parents on the city’s jazz greats but discovered dance music in the club aged 12 after being brought along by an uncle who had business to attend to. Too young to enter the building, the young Jamal felt the vibrations from outside, and he was hooked.

In this frank interview we learn about his early days running club nights in Chicago, how his adopted father’s position in the Masons gave him certain insight on the inner workings of the city, his unapologetic days as a gigolo and his rejection of the term AfroFuturist. Oh and he also dabbles in nanotechnology.

Hieroglyphic Being makes music to serve humanity, and when he’s not doing that you’ll find him throwing avocados at squirrels. Don’t Assume.

This interview was recorded at the end of 2023, and includes music with generous permission from Hieroglyphic Being.

Tracks in order:

Hieroglyphic Being - The Flying Men of Zimbabwe

Hieroglyphic Being - The Language of Strings

Hieroglyphic Being - The Mystery of the Rose

Hieroglyphic Being - Being Awake and Energize

Hieroglyphic Being - THANKS FOR THE TRACKS U LOST

Hieroglyphic Being - Fuck the Ghetto, think about outer space

Discover Hieroglyphic Being on NTS [https://www.nts.live/artists/2391-hieroglyphic-being]

Presenter - Zakia Sewell

Producer - Alannah Chance

Recording - Si Richards

Music composition - Jennifer Walton

Mix-Mastering - Sol King

Exec Producer - Lizzy King for NTS

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Lisa Maffia came to prominence in the early 2000s as the only woman in So Solid Crew, the platinum selling UK Garage act from South London that took over the UK mainstream.

Lisa joins Zakia in the NTS studio in London to reflect on Lisa’s younger years and the early days of So Solid Crew, through to Lisa’s solo career. Lisa and Zakia discuss the highs and lows of So Solid’s journey, which took them from DIY pirate radio to the Brit Awards and countless other accolades. Along the way they drew criticism from the British press, and they fell victim to the Metropolitan Police’s punitive 696 form, which all but shut down their scene. In this Don’t Assume interview, Zakia and Lisa celebrate the lasting legacy of UK Garage and its celebration of Black Britishness.

Presenter - Zakia Sewell, Producer - Lizzy King, Sound Recording - Fabrice Robinson, Editing - Femi Oriogun-Williams, Composer - Jennifer Walton, Talent & Outreach - Samuel Strang.

This is an NTS Podcast, discover more at www.nts.live.

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