
Free College? It’s More Complicated Than That | OAS Episode 140
08/22/21 • 70 min
Our American States
The cost of higher education, the amount of student loan debt, the percentage of students who receive degrees and other related issues have been debated in legislatures and on the campaign trail. Proposals for a new federal state-partnership on higher education and for free community college are among the issues being debated.
On this podcast we hear from Kevin Carey and Jason Delisle, both experts on higher education policy. Carey is the vice president for education policy and knowledge management at New America, a policy research organization. Delisle is a senior policy fellow at the Urban Institute.
The two discussed the track record on affordability, access and outcomes in U.S public higher education and the different approaches states have taken. They also assessed proposals for state-federal partnerships and the likelihood that different states might have very different attitudes toward the type of partnerships being proposed.
While they differ on a number of points, both agreed the complexities of how a federal-state partnership would work are largely missing from the public debate.
This topic also will be on the agenda for NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Tampa, Fla., Nov. 3-5.
Resources
Our American States
The cost of higher education, the amount of student loan debt, the percentage of students who receive degrees and other related issues have been debated in legislatures and on the campaign trail. Proposals for a new federal state-partnership on higher education and for free community college are among the issues being debated.
On this podcast we hear from Kevin Carey and Jason Delisle, both experts on higher education policy. Carey is the vice president for education policy and knowledge management at New America, a policy research organization. Delisle is a senior policy fellow at the Urban Institute.
The two discussed the track record on affordability, access and outcomes in U.S public higher education and the different approaches states have taken. They also assessed proposals for state-federal partnerships and the likelihood that different states might have very different attitudes toward the type of partnerships being proposed.
While they differ on a number of points, both agreed the complexities of how a federal-state partnership would work are largely missing from the public debate.
This topic also will be on the agenda for NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Tampa, Fla., Nov. 3-5.
Resources
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Helping Health Care Workers Cope | OAS Episode 139
The crushing strain of caring for patients the last year and half of pandemic has taken a toll on health care workers. Legislatures play an important role in this area by creating laws for licensure and regulation.
On the podcast to discuss the workforce and how to help health care workers cope with the current challenges is Dr. Luis Padilla, the associate administrator for health workforce at the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA). Padilla also serves as director of the National Health Service Corps.
Padilla discusses how HRSA supports states in strengthening the workforce. He also talked about the growing role of telehealth and the important role states have in regulating scope of practice rules.
The other guest is Sydne Enlund from NCSL. Enlund tracks of scope of practice laws across the country and maintains a website on the topic with interactive maps dealing with nurse practitioners, physician assistants, pharmacists and more. She discusses the role legislatures have played in modifying regulations for workers during the pandemic.
Resources
- Health Resource and Services Administration (HRSA) Bureau of Health Workforce (BHW)
- Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) Data Warehouse
- Health Workforce Technical Assistance Center
- OAS Episode 139 Transcription
- Scope of Practice Policy website, NCSL
- The Telehealth Explainer Series, NCSL
- Telehealth: Health Care From the safety of Our Homes, HHS
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Building Democracy: The Story of State Legislatures | Episode 6
Overview
NCSL’s Our American States podcast presents a special six-part series, “Building Democracy: The Story of Legislatures.” This new mini-series covers the history, characters and stories of state legislatures in America, from the beginnings in Jamestown, to the present day and into the future.
Each episode in the series will contain interviews with experts from inside and outside the legislative world to provide a comprehensive view of historical events and their legacy in today’s legislatures. Extras will include extended guest interview clips, articles in NCSL’s State Legislatures magazine, blogs and resources for those who want to dive deeper into topics covered in the podcast.
Episode 6
Our special podcast miniseries concludes by looking to the future of legislatures and how—in this centuries long relay of representative democracy—those currently serving will pass the baton to those who will lead these institutions into the future. With an exemplary lineup of guests, we examine possible challenges and future successes and explore how legislatures can honor long-held traditions and processes while building stronger, more effective and more representative 21st-century bodies.
Guests
- Scott Bedke, speaker, Idaho House of Representatives
- Nicole Cannizzaro, majority leader, Nevada State Senate
- Jason Frierson, speaker, Nevada House of Representatives
- Margaret O’Brien, secretary, Michigan Senate
- Tim Storey, executive director, NCSL
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