
Episode 2.17: Don't Let It Be a Pumpkin Spice Moment
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06/18/20 • 47 min
In this week's conversation, Don wrestles with what to do with the anger aggregating with each news alert, racist Facebook post, and recalled memory. In processing how that anger has changed over time, Amy talks about our inclination to diminish or dismiss harm done by people we like.
Warning: The cursing was not edited out for this episode, and (spoiler) they don't really talk about the Farmer's Market.
Additional resources:
- "The 'Arab Spring': Five Years On" (Amnesty International)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/01/arab-spring-five-years-on/ - "Philando Castile's Daughter Said To Girlfriend After He Died: I Don't Want You To Get Shooted | TIME" (YouTube, by TIME, June 22, 2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlTv3jEhpXM - "While celebrities partner with NAACP to 'take responsibility' for racism" (The Detroit News, by Christi Carras, June 12, 2020)
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2020/06/12/white-celebrities-partner-naacp-take-responsibility-racism/3174582001/ - "How accurate is 'Mrs. America's' portrayal of Shirley Chisholm? We looked into it." (Los Angeles Times, by Meredith Blake, April 24, 2020)
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-04-24/mrs-america-shirley-chisholm-abortion-convention - "A black activist who trained police officers on implicit bias was injured with rubber bullet during protest" (CNN, by Madeline Holcombe and Sarah Moon, June 9, 2020)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/san-jose-police-training-activist-rubber-bullets-trnd/index.html - “Sir, Can We Talk About Your Knee on My Neck?” (By Maureen Walker, June 15, 2020)
https://maureenwalker.com/sir-can-we-talk-about-your-knee-on-my-neck/
Buy "Your Racist Friend" by They Might Be Giants on iTunes
In this week's conversation, Don wrestles with what to do with the anger aggregating with each news alert, racist Facebook post, and recalled memory. In processing how that anger has changed over time, Amy talks about our inclination to diminish or dismiss harm done by people we like.
Warning: The cursing was not edited out for this episode, and (spoiler) they don't really talk about the Farmer's Market.
Additional resources:
- "The 'Arab Spring': Five Years On" (Amnesty International)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/01/arab-spring-five-years-on/ - "Philando Castile's Daughter Said To Girlfriend After He Died: I Don't Want You To Get Shooted | TIME" (YouTube, by TIME, June 22, 2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlTv3jEhpXM - "While celebrities partner with NAACP to 'take responsibility' for racism" (The Detroit News, by Christi Carras, June 12, 2020)
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2020/06/12/white-celebrities-partner-naacp-take-responsibility-racism/3174582001/ - "How accurate is 'Mrs. America's' portrayal of Shirley Chisholm? We looked into it." (Los Angeles Times, by Meredith Blake, April 24, 2020)
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-04-24/mrs-america-shirley-chisholm-abortion-convention - "A black activist who trained police officers on implicit bias was injured with rubber bullet during protest" (CNN, by Madeline Holcombe and Sarah Moon, June 9, 2020)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/san-jose-police-training-activist-rubber-bullets-trnd/index.html - “Sir, Can We Talk About Your Knee on My Neck?” (By Maureen Walker, June 15, 2020)
https://maureenwalker.com/sir-can-we-talk-about-your-knee-on-my-neck/
Buy "Your Racist Friend" by They Might Be Giants on iTunes
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Episode 2.16: Two Genies
Don and Amy discuss the ongoing protests against police brutality, including both the large gathering in Bloomington on June 5 and (briefly) an inflammatory statement by the Broadening Inclusion Group of the local farmer's market that same day. They try to process some of the recent instances of violence against protestors and discuss the role RCT plays in seeking understanding.
Additional resources:
- "Racism Is Surging in Germany. Tens of Thousands Are Taking to the Streets to Call for Justice" (Time, by Billy Perrigo and Melissa Godin, June 11, 2020)
https://time.com/5851165/germany-anti-racism-protests/ - "The NFL's backtracking apology forgot one thing: Colin Kaepernick" (Mashable, by Adam Rosenberg, June 7, 2020)
https://mashable.com/article/colin-kaepernick-nfl-roger-goodell-black-lives-matter/ - "Why Romney Marched" (The Atlantic, McKay Coppins, June 8, 2020)
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter/612808/ - "Austin police fired at a crowd transporting a protester injured by an officer" (CNN, by Christina Maxouris and Raja Razek, June 7, 2020)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/austin-texas-police-bean-bag-20-year-old-injured/index.html - "Black Against the Wall" (Bloomington Black Lives Matter, June 6, 2020)
https://www.facebook.com/blacklivesmatterbtown/posts/3865770443464840 - "Bloomington Community Farmers’ Market releases apology after controversial statement" (Indiana Daily Student, by Lauren McLaughlin, June 11, 2020)
https://www.idsnews.com/article/2020/06/bloomington-community-farmers-market-releases-apology-after-controversial-statement - "Radio Raheem's death in Spike Lee's 'Do The Right Thing' still haunts America" (liveMint, by Uday Bhatia, June 3, 2020)
https://www.livemint.com/mint-lounge/features/radio-raheem-s-death-in-spike-lee-s-do-the-right-thing-still-haunts-america-11591184771351.html - "15 Years Later, Tawana Brawley Has Paid 1 Percent Of Penalty" (NPR, by Mark Memmott, August 5, 2013)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/05/209194252/15-years-later-tawana-brawley-has-paid-1-percent-of-penalty - "Trump 'How to Black People/How to Bible" (YouTube, uploaded by Jeff Hill, June 3, 2020)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pmzTr3eUQ&feature=youtu.be
Buy "Your Racist Friend" by They Might Be Giants on iTunes
Next Episode

Episode 2.18: Soul Survivor
Amy reflects on the childhood memory shared by Don in the previous episode and the difficulty in reconciling racism in someone she loves. Together, they revisit a painful moment for Don at an awards program in which they both participated, and Amy tries to reconcile the racism she carries.
Additional resources:
- "The Violence of white (and non-Black PoC) Apologies" (Medium, by Ciarra Jones, June 9, 2020)
https://medium.com/@ciarrajones/the-violence-of-white-and-non-black-poc-apologies-d1321c0ccb8e
- "Fact Check: 'Irish Slaves' meme repeats discredited article" (Reuters, June 19, 2020)
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-slaves/fact-check-irish-slaves-meme-repeats-discredited-article-idUSKBN23Q1LQ - "Loving John Hughes Movies While Black" (Medium, by mauludSADIQ, January 23, 2017)
https://medium.com/the-brothers/loving-john-hughes-movies-while-black-1c4acba2e628 - "America to Me" (Wikipedia)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_to_Me - "About Positive Discipline"
https://www.positivediscipline.com/about-positive-discipline - Black Lives Matter Bloomington - Donations
https://blm.btown-in.org/
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