
Noah Smith on YIMBYism, California Land Use, and the Best-Run City
07/29/23 • 94 min
Economist and writer Noah Smith returns to the podcast to talk to Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg about housing, politics, land use, and policing in California and beyond. Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more at www.turpentine.co or email [email protected]
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode Preview
(01:07) Antonio is the Dennis Rodman
(01:42) Noah’s new podcast with Turpentine: Econ 102
(02:05) The left and right version of “it’s time to build” i.e. Ezra Klein vs Marc Andreessen
(04:50) California skewed political identities
(07:00) California vs Texas GOP stance on immigration
(09:30) Should Gary Tan strategize from the left or the right, structurally
(11:11) Can the Asian block become a machine in SF? In California?
(12:50) Is LA better run than SF?
(17:40) What’s the best-run city in the US
(20:58) Sponsor: NetSuite
(22:15) Best format for affordable housing in cities
(26:30) California is a class society based on land
(28:40) House-rich progressives in California
(31:00) Prop 13, property tax, and SALT debates
(39:30) The tide of YIMBYism
(51:10) Effective building in Japan
(58:00) YIMBY movement in SF lost because of crime
(59:00) The future of San Francisco
(01:09:00) Policing
(01:16:00) WWII and the atom bomb
(01:22:00) Will patriotism come back?
(01:25:00) Biggest misconception about Japan?
LINKS:
Noah's Substack https://www.noahpinion.blog/
Book Recommendation on Prop 13: Golden Gates https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Gates-Fighting-Housing-America/dp/0525560211
X / TWITTER:
@noahpinion (Noah)
@dwr (Dan)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
@moz_podcast
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Economist and writer Noah Smith returns to the podcast to talk to Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg about housing, politics, land use, and policing in California and beyond. Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more at www.turpentine.co or email [email protected]
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode Preview
(01:07) Antonio is the Dennis Rodman
(01:42) Noah’s new podcast with Turpentine: Econ 102
(02:05) The left and right version of “it’s time to build” i.e. Ezra Klein vs Marc Andreessen
(04:50) California skewed political identities
(07:00) California vs Texas GOP stance on immigration
(09:30) Should Gary Tan strategize from the left or the right, structurally
(11:11) Can the Asian block become a machine in SF? In California?
(12:50) Is LA better run than SF?
(17:40) What’s the best-run city in the US
(20:58) Sponsor: NetSuite
(22:15) Best format for affordable housing in cities
(26:30) California is a class society based on land
(28:40) House-rich progressives in California
(31:00) Prop 13, property tax, and SALT debates
(39:30) The tide of YIMBYism
(51:10) Effective building in Japan
(58:00) YIMBY movement in SF lost because of crime
(59:00) The future of San Francisco
(01:09:00) Policing
(01:16:00) WWII and the atom bomb
(01:22:00) Will patriotism come back?
(01:25:00) Biggest misconception about Japan?
LINKS:
Noah's Substack https://www.noahpinion.blog/
Book Recommendation on Prop 13: Golden Gates https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Gates-Fighting-Housing-America/dp/0525560211
X / TWITTER:
@noahpinion (Noah)
@dwr (Dan)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
@moz_podcast
SPONSORS:
Beehiiv:
Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.
Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period
Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
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News News Yum Yum with Marc Andreessen
Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz returns to discuss his recent essays on AI, violence, and much more including: San Francisco, mandatory military service, Voegelin, and life extension. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen
Check out our other interviews with Marc:
Moment of Zen E1: on SBF/FTX, Twitter, and Open AI/Chat GPT
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0smJY3xJXFhVsL0cX2BtVf?si=89cfd3ddc0434eb0
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/moment-of-zen/id1661672738?i=1000591411124
Moment of Zen E2: on Elon Musk, Nietzsche, and America's Thousand Year Empire
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qzUqkt0rCIfVsbUw7eZ77?si=1f7eec7bc1954380
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/moment-of-zen/id1661672738?i=1000591713971
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode preview
(01:26) The evolution of human entertainment from epic poetry to NPC Tiktoks
(06:50) Violence is a choice
(11:00) True democracy mandates military service as a virtue
(20:00) Can San Francisco be fixed?
(31:00) Marc's empirical argument for AI
(34:45) Sponsor: NetSuite
(35:45) Where Sam Harris gets it wrong
(39:37) Eric Voegelin's concept of Immanetizing the EschatonWhat happens to religion after AI?
(52:50) What would Nietzsche say?
(54:00) LLMs are already the subject of a religious war
(01:03:30) What comes after liberalism
(01:11:20) Men’s tailoring and the stripping of masculinity
(01:13:50) Is Twitter’s influence the real world?
(01:17:20) Is Left vs Right the central conflict of our time?
(01:22:28) Life extension
TWITTER:
@pmarca (Marc)
@dwr (Dan)
@antoniogm (Antonio)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
LINKS:
Marc Andreessen, Fighting https://pmarca.substack.com/p/fighting
Marc Andreessen, Why AI Will Save The World. https://pmarca.substack.com/p/why-ai-will-save-the-world
Eric Voegelin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Voegelin
Book: Regime Change by Patrick J. Deneen https://www.amazon.com/Regime-Change-Toward-Postliberal-Future/dp/0593086902
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Alex Kaplan on the LK-99 Superconductor: the Drama, Democratization of Science, and Future Implications
Alex Kaplan shot to fame on Twitter last week for his thread on the LK-99 superconductor, and why it has the potential to be the most important physics discovery of our lifetime. Today he joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to dig deeper into the LK-99 saga and its broader implications: why the material is so hard to replicate, the citizen journalist aspect and the democratization of science, condensed matter physics, a call for scientific ambition, and more. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode Preview
(01:13) Introduction to Alex Kaplan, and how his superconductor tweet took over the internet
(03:32) Why is the LK-99 compound so difficult to replicate?
(06:52) The breakdown of superconductor properties (diamagnetism vs. superconductivity)
(10:44) How does one even go and invent a new material?
(13:53) Tracing the drama of how Lee, Kim, and Kwon published their papers
(15:06) Sponsor: NetSuite
(16:15) Cont. story of Lee, Kim, and Kwon
(19:25) Andrew and Iris live-tweeting their replication efforts
(22:08) The citizen journalist aspect
(24:21) The democratization of science
(25:41) Condensed matter physics
(29:38) What’s most exciting about the LK-99 discovery
(32:08) Observing the tangible impacts of virality on Twitter
(34:23) The (im)precise process of creating the LK-99 compound
(35:57) What are the implications, if LK-99 is a real superconductor?
(42:06) What if superconductors made more efficient quantum computers?
(44:03) A potential Kardashev scale civilization
(45:23) The most interesting thing about the LK-99 saga for Alex
(46:49) Comparable physics discoveries to the LK-99
(49:18) Alex's request for scientific ambition: where should we be looking?
LINKS:
Alex’s viral X / Twitter Thread: https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684044616528453633
LK-99 Paper (submitted by Kwon): https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008
LK-99 Paper (submitted by Lee and Kim): https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037
X / TWITTER:
@alexkaplan0 (Alex)
@dwr (Dan)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
@moz_podcast
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NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
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