
Episode 57: Gene Kim on "Wiring the Winning Organization," Unlocking High-Performance Organizations
07/02/24 • 56 min
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations. Mik and Gene look into the groundbreaking insights from Gene's latest book, "Wiring the Winning Organization," co-authored with Dr. Steven Spear. They navigate the pressing need for new organizational frameworks that bridge the gaps left by traditional models like Lean, Agile, and DevOps. They also analyze the core mechanisms vital to achieving optimal organizational performance, such as simplification and amplification.
Listen as Mik and Gene explore the concept of ‘slowification’—the strategic slowdown for long-term gains—and provide practical advice on how technology leaders can implement these changes.
Key discussions include:
- Understanding the critical layers involved in organizational performance: objects (code, patients), tools (IDEs, MRI machines), and social circuitry (team communication).
- Learn about the essential mechanisms—slowification, simplification, and amplification—that form the backbone of successful organizational design.
- Explore the impact of strong, clear feedback loops in optimizing organizational efficiency and uncovering hidden inefficiencies.
- Discover how partitioning complex systems into modular components can facilitate faster development and deployment cycles.
- Learn how Gene's book provides a framework that is understandable and actionable at all organizational levels, focusing on practical implementation.
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Additional Resources:
- Portfolio SAFe
- The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim
- Wiring the Winning Organization by Gene Kim and Steven J. Spear
- MarTech
- Scrum Studio
- Greenfield project
- Skunkworks
- Bimodal IT
- Agile Release Train
- Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
- Join the Flow Framework Community
For more information about Gene Kim and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://flowframework.org/ffc-podcast/gene-kim-ep-57/
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations. Mik and Gene look into the groundbreaking insights from Gene's latest book, "Wiring the Winning Organization," co-authored with Dr. Steven Spear. They navigate the pressing need for new organizational frameworks that bridge the gaps left by traditional models like Lean, Agile, and DevOps. They also analyze the core mechanisms vital to achieving optimal organizational performance, such as simplification and amplification.
Listen as Mik and Gene explore the concept of ‘slowification’—the strategic slowdown for long-term gains—and provide practical advice on how technology leaders can implement these changes.
Key discussions include:
- Understanding the critical layers involved in organizational performance: objects (code, patients), tools (IDEs, MRI machines), and social circuitry (team communication).
- Learn about the essential mechanisms—slowification, simplification, and amplification—that form the backbone of successful organizational design.
- Explore the impact of strong, clear feedback loops in optimizing organizational efficiency and uncovering hidden inefficiencies.
- Discover how partitioning complex systems into modular components can facilitate faster development and deployment cycles.
- Learn how Gene's book provides a framework that is understandable and actionable at all organizational levels, focusing on practical implementation.
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don’t forget to leave your review.
Follow Mik on Twitter:
@mik_kersten #MikPlusOne
Additional Resources:
- Portfolio SAFe
- The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim
- Wiring the Winning Organization by Gene Kim and Steven J. Spear
- MarTech
- Scrum Studio
- Greenfield project
- Skunkworks
- Bimodal IT
- Agile Release Train
- Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
- Join the Flow Framework Community
For more information about Gene Kim and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://flowframework.org/ffc-podcast/gene-kim-ep-57/
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Episode 56: GitHub’s Scott Densmore on the Copilot Revolution, Coding at the Speed of Thought
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity.
GitHub Copilot is an AI-powered tool that provides code completion and suggestions to developers, allowing them to write code faster and more efficiently. Scott shares the history of GitHub Copilot and how it has evolved to become a game-changer in the world of software development. He also talks about developer flow and happiness and explains how Copilot enhances these aspects by reducing toil and increasing productivity.
Listen as Mik and Scott discuss the potential for customization and extensibility in Copilot, allowing developers to build their agents and their skills to further enhance their workflows.
Key discussions include:
- GitHub Copilot is an AI-powered tool that provides code completion and suggestions to developers, increasing productivity and reducing toil.
- Copilot has been in development for several years, with a focus on fine-tuning the models and prompts to provide accurate and helpful suggestions across multiple programming languages.
- Studies have shown that developers using Copilot can complete tasks in significantly less time, leading to increased productivity and happiness.
- Customization is a key feature of Copilot, allowing developers to build models on top of their own code and improve the accuracy of suggestions.
- The introduction of chat functionality in Copilot allows developers to ask questions, get explanations of code, and even generate tests or refactorings.
- GitHub is working on an extensibility platform for Copilot to enhance their workflows and bring in expertise from various tools and services.
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don’t forget to leave your review.
Follow Mik on X:
@mik_kersten #MikPlusOne
Additional Resources:
- Portfolio SAFe
- Dean Leffingwell on the Mik + One Podcast: Part 1, Part 2
- MarTech
- Dave West - podcast episode
- Scrum Studio
- Greenfield project
- Skunkworks
- Bimodal IT
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Episode 58: Steve Mayner on Implementing Pragmatic AI in the Enterprise
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts. Mik and Dr. Steve Mayner discuss the nuances of transformative leadership and its pivotal role in driving successful business agility and digital transformation efforts. They also examine the evolution and future of Lean-Agile practices tailored for the fast-evolving AI landscape.
Listen as Mik and Dr. Steve Mayner explore the intersections of digital leadership, Agile transformation, and the emerging impacts of artificial intelligence in the digital age.
Key discussions include:
- Transformational leadership is essential for fostering an innovative and adaptive organizational culture.
- AI's role in enhancing productivity and operational efficiency requires leaders to embrace these technologies and lead their integration effectively within their organizations.
- Successful digital transformation hinges not only on adopting new technologies but significantly on leadership that creates an environment of trust and drives organizational change.
- Continuous learning and leveraging AI tools can exponentially boost a leader's effectiveness, enabling informed decision-making in real-time.
- Adaptive leadership, coupled with a strong foundation in business acumen, is crucial for navigating the complexities of leading organizations in the digital age.
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don’t forget to leave your review.
Follow Mik on Twitter:
@mik_kersten #MikPlusOne
Additional Resources:
- Portfolio SAFe
- MarTech
- Scrum Studio
- Greenfield project
- Skunkworks
- Bimodal IT
- Agile Release Train
- Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
- Join the Flow Framework Community
For more information about Steve Mayner and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://flowframework.org/ffc-podcast/steve-mayner/
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik Kersten - Episode 57: Gene Kim on "Wiring the Winning Organization," Unlocking High-Performance Organizations
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Hello, and welcome to the Mick Plus One podcast, where I sit down with industry leaders to dive into the project-to-product movement and future of connected work. I'm Mick Kirsten, Chief Technology Officer of PlanView and the author of the bestselling book, Project-to-Product, how to survive and thrive in the age of digital disruption with a flow framework. Music. And I'm just thrilled to have Jean Kim join us once again. Gene is without doubt one of my favorite peopl
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