
When covering the Holy Land, hope is in the details
07/11/23 • 38 min
Our guest this episode, Daniel Estrin, is an international correspondent for NPR based in Jerusalem. There is a human element present throughout Daniel Estrin’s body of work that places listeners in the shoes of ordinary Palestinians and Israelis. Fluent in both Hebrew and Arabic and having lived in the region for over fifteen years, Daniel has a keen ear for both the suffering and the tenacity that coexist side by side. His insights are valuable for any journalist covering a contested place, and anyone looking to connect across deep-seeded divides.
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Making Peace Visible is a project of War Stories Peace Stories. Our mission is to bring journalists and peacebuilders together to re-imagine the way the news media covers peace and conflict, and to facilitate expanded coverage of global peace and reconciliation efforts. Join the conversation on Twitter: @warstoriespeace. Write to us at [email protected].
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Our guest this episode, Daniel Estrin, is an international correspondent for NPR based in Jerusalem. There is a human element present throughout Daniel Estrin’s body of work that places listeners in the shoes of ordinary Palestinians and Israelis. Fluent in both Hebrew and Arabic and having lived in the region for over fifteen years, Daniel has a keen ear for both the suffering and the tenacity that coexist side by side. His insights are valuable for any journalist covering a contested place, and anyone looking to connect across deep-seeded divides.
WORK FEATURED IN THIS EPISODE
A 70-year-old man in Gaza needed open heart surgery. It was a race against time July 2022
While Israel is in turmoil, tonight it marks its 75th Independence Day April 2023
Hotel Corona May 2020
Rooting for a Eurovision singer of the same name May 2023
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Making Peace Visible is hosted by Jamil Simon, and produced by Andrea Muraskin. Interview in this episode by Andrea Muraskin.
Music in this episode by Doyeq and Eddy.
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The Making Peace Visible podcast is hosted by Jamil Simon and produced by Andrea Muraskin. Our associate producer is Faith McClure. Learn more at makingpeacevisible.org
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Covering civil resistance amidst rising authoritarianism
In the mainstream news, we might not hear much about a political movement in America, or in another country, unless it “turns violent.” Building an effective protest movement takes planning, a shared commitment and coordination, and most movements are explicitly nonviolent. In fact, it’s often people unaffiliated with movements who are responsible for violence at protests.
The situation frustrates both activists and journalists. Activists complain that their actions don’t get enough coverage, or more important, that the coverage tells an incomplete or skewed story. Journalists counter that activists need to get better at communicating with the media.
Our guest Hardy Merriman watches political movements and the media that covers them closely, and he has advice for how both sides can tell better stories. Merriman is Director of the International Center for Nonviolent Conflict (ICNC), an organization that supports civil resistance movements globally through research and education. He’s deeply worried about the rise and strengthening of autocracy around the world. Authoritarians are cracking down on activists in ways that are hard to see – making the jobs of journalists more difficult, and even more crucial.
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By Deborah Mathis and Hailey Grace Allen, edited by Hardy Merriman
ICNC, April 2021
Fostering a Fourth Democratic Wave: A Playbook for Countering the Authoritarian Threat
By Hardy Merriman, Patrick Quirk, and Ash Jain
ICNC and The Atlantic Council, March 2023
Read more from Hardy Merriman at hardymerriman.com
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Journalism as a brave space to talk about race
“The one embedded bias that we definitely have when we get up every day to cover the news anew is that we're biased for democracy. Let's just admit that. So if you're biased for democracy, then you have to be biased for racial justice, because racial justice is embedded in the democratic promise.” - Deborah Douglas
Some of the most polarized debates in the United States today stem from issues of race, from policing to how history should be taught in schools. Our guest this episode, award-winning American journalist Deborah Douglas, believes the answer to polarization isn’t to cloister ourselves in so-called “safe spaces.” Rather, she sees journalism as a “brave space” to excavate the impact of America’s racial history on the current moment. Like previous guests Amanda Ripley and David Bornstein, Douglas practices Solutions Journalism – which looks at how systems work to solve social problems – and how they could work better for more people.
Deborah Douglas is the Director of the Midell Midwest Solutions Journalism Hub at Northwestern University in Chicago. She’s also the author of US Civil Rights Trail: A Traveler’s Guide to the People, Places and Events that Made the Movement. In the past, she’s been co-editor In chief of The Emancipator, founding managing editor of MLK50: Justice Through Journalism, and much more.
Find Deborah Douglas on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram @debofficialy. Learn more at debofficially.com.
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