
Episode 4:06: Anything But Common
10/16/23 • 82 min
Coming up in this episode
- We do a little upgrade
- Firefox fixes a tooltip
- The History of W, V, X and CDE
- How it went
- And a new old desktop to explore
0:00 Cold Open
1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded!
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly
22:22 CDE History: Intro
24:04 CDE History: X
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK
29:25 CDE History: COSE
31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others
34:24 CDE History: The Opening
36:14 CDE History: The Releases
43:02 How'd CDE Go?
1:16:00 Next Time
1:21:29 Stinger
Watch the video!
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
Banter
- The LUS Lemmy instance got an update.
- The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for.
- One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now.
- The Bug that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!
- Dan installed Firefox from the .tar.gz download.
- Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory.
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
- The letters W, V, X, C, D and E
- 📺️Youtube
- 📽️TILvids
- And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons like you 😍
The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE)
- The Andrew Project
- W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system.
- In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote.
- X is our “reaction” to W
- Ultrix Window Manager, or uwm
- Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager, or twm
- Open Look Specification
- The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface.
- HP and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.
- Sun went on to build OpenWindows, which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView.
- COSE
- In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged, and in 96, merged again with X/Open into The Open Group.
- Motif and CDE became one
- KDE enters the scene.
- May of 2000 when Motif
Coming up in this episode
- We do a little upgrade
- Firefox fixes a tooltip
- The History of W, V, X and CDE
- How it went
- And a new old desktop to explore
0:00 Cold Open
1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded!
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly
22:22 CDE History: Intro
24:04 CDE History: X
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK
29:25 CDE History: COSE
31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others
34:24 CDE History: The Opening
36:14 CDE History: The Releases
43:02 How'd CDE Go?
1:16:00 Next Time
1:21:29 Stinger
Watch the video!
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
Banter
- The LUS Lemmy instance got an update.
- The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for.
- One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now.
- The Bug that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!
- Dan installed Firefox from the .tar.gz download.
- Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory.
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
- The letters W, V, X, C, D and E
- 📺️Youtube
- 📽️TILvids
- And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons like you 😍
The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE)
- The Andrew Project
- W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system.
- In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote.
- X is our “reaction” to W
- Ultrix Window Manager, or uwm
- Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager, or twm
- Open Look Specification
- The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface.
- HP and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.
- Sun went on to build OpenWindows, which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView.
- COSE
- In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged, and in 96, merged again with X/Open into The Open Group.
- Motif and CDE became one
- KDE enters the scene.
- May of 2000 when Motif
Previous Episode

Episode 4:05: The Time to Switch Is Now!
Coming up in this episode
- You are so far aWAY from me
- We are watching out for the browsers
- A little reverb focus
- Community and GenTOO
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:40 The Wayland Soapbox
20:33 Browser Watch
46:27 Reverb Focus
1:12:02 Community Focus
1:14:46 Gentoo Focus
1:29:30 Next Time: CDE History!
1:31:50 Stinger
Watch the Video!
https://youtu.be/ZIL1ssfGx9k
Social Soapbox - Wayland
- Nate Graham's blog post - So let's talk about this Wayland thing
- The Wayland Protocol
- Wayland from the Arch Wiki
- Wayland from the Gentoo Wiki
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
Browser Watch
- Vivaldi’s Open Letter — Microsoft DMA Compliance
- Deciding for ourselves: 98% of people want a browser choice screen, Mozilla study finds
- It's time to ditch Chrome and fall in love with Firefox again.
More Announcements
- Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy
Reverb Focus
Stewie - Why GRUB?
Dai - Telemetry
Ganome - Gentoo
- Switching to the Gnome Profile doesn't install Gnome but it is an important step.
- emerge --ask gnome-base/gnome is what installs the desktop.
Rene
- Wi-Fi Sheep
- RISC OS Developments Ltd
- RISC OS Open
- RISC OS Info
- RISC OS at Distrowatch
- Plan9 Foundation
- leepsvideo YouTube channel
- EasyOS
Housekeeping
Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.
Next Episode

Episode 4:07: Monster In The Middle
Coming up in this episode
- Buntober?
- We Keep the IPs safe
- Cryptic greetings
- Some feedback
- and we get double focused
We do video, too!
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
407 Audio Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:48 Ubuntu Attacks!
17:20 Google Protection?
31:36 Encrypted Client Hello
46:33 Reverb
1:17:15 Gentoo Focus
1:26:42 Stinger
We're both on Ubuntu 23.10.... WHAT?!
- Ubuntu Desktop
- Ubuntu Flavors
- 23.10 Release Announcement
- Leo is all aboard on the Wayland hotness on the main Ubuntu desktop and Dan is trying out Xubuntu to pair with our Xfce journey.
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
Google is protecting our IPs
More Announcements
- Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy
Cryptic Greetings
Housekeeping
Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.
- 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy
- 📰 Linux User Space subreddit
- ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server
- 📲 Linux User Space Telegram
- ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix
- 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch
- 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon
- 📜 Linux User Space Twitter
- 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids
Reverb Focus
Stewie on the Gentoo Checkin in episode 405
Dominic on Telegram
- Why does everything look like Windows? Windows, Icons, Menus and Panels aka WIMP is popular and familiar.
Nate on Telegram
- Nate is running Plasma in a Wayland session on openSUSE Tumbleweed on his Framework Laptop with success.
John A. on Lemmy
Community Focus - Craft Computing
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