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Leading Steep - Charisma, Color, and the Birds of Borneo: Susan Myers

Charisma, Color, and the Birds of Borneo: Susan Myers

02/27/21 • 43 min

Leading Steep

In this episode, Barry sits down with Susan Myers of WINGS Birding Tours Worldwide. She has been birding, traveling, and leading tours in Asia for over thirty years, and has written dozens of papers and articles on ornithology and general ecology in a variety of respected magazines, scientific journals, and books.

Susan is the author of the Field Guide to the Birds of Borneo, published in 2016, and has recently finished a general guide to the wildlife of Southeast Asia.

Listen in as Susan shares her experience and knowledge of the natural world. Her deep affection for and appreciation for Asia and its wildlife is palpable in today’s conversation.

She dives deep into how she conducts a typical birding tour in Asia and her personal thoughts on what makes a great guide and leader.

Susan touches on her decades-long career as a naturalist, must-see birds in Asia and the American Northwest, and her favorite places to travel.

Finally, Susan shares what she is most looking forward to when she can jump back into the field post-COVID.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

● [2:57] How Susan became a naturalist and got started guiding bird watch tours

● [6:46] Susan’s favorite destination in Asia

● [8:55] Susan takes us through one of her typical tours

● [12:27] How many birds you can expect to see during one of Susan’s tours in Borneo

● [15:02] Where Susan finds inspiration as a leader

● [16:31] Susan speaks on the camaraderie among the guides at WINGS

● [17:07] The unique intimacy of a birding tour

● [22:21] How many birds has Susan seen in her lifetime?

● [24:59] Documenting birds on research trips

● [27:02] Possible reasons for the huge decline in migratory birds in the past few months

● [29:05] Susan’s favorite stories from one of her trips

● [31:17] Susan’s go-to places in Japan

● [32:23] Tips for amateur bird watchers

● [34:22] Hard-to-find birds in the U.S.

● [37:12] What Susan has been working on ever since the pandemic halted her tours

● [39:44] What Susan misses about leading birding tours

Key Quotes by Susan:

● “One of the things you’ve got to know about birding is that the mornings are really important. That old adage really is true: ‘The early bird catches the worm.’ In this case, ‘The early birder catches the bird.’”

● “Birding requires patience, full stop, whether you’re talking about the birds or other birders. It should be mutual—hopefully the clients are patient with me because sometimes it’s frustrating when you can’t find the bird you’re looking to show them.”

● “The most important thing for people who want to come on a birding tour is to have a good pair of binoculars. Very occasionally, we’ve had people come on tours with a cheap pair of binoculars. It’s a bit crazy because you’re spending a lot of money on this tour but you’re not spending money on the equipment you need to enjoy the trip. You wouldn’t go snorkeling without a mask; you don’t go birding without binoculars.”

● “One of the blessings of being a naturalist is that you will never be bored. Not in your whole life will you ever be bored. It doesn’t matter where you are; there will be some sort of critter that is going to give you hours of fascination and keep you busy.”

Links:
Wings Bird Tours
Susan Myers Profile
Susan's Links
Birds of Borneo - Susan Myers
eBird - Cornell University
Waxwings (Songs and photos)
Sounds of the Bornean Jungle

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In this episode, Barry sits down with Susan Myers of WINGS Birding Tours Worldwide. She has been birding, traveling, and leading tours in Asia for over thirty years, and has written dozens of papers and articles on ornithology and general ecology in a variety of respected magazines, scientific journals, and books.

Susan is the author of the Field Guide to the Birds of Borneo, published in 2016, and has recently finished a general guide to the wildlife of Southeast Asia.

Listen in as Susan shares her experience and knowledge of the natural world. Her deep affection for and appreciation for Asia and its wildlife is palpable in today’s conversation.

She dives deep into how she conducts a typical birding tour in Asia and her personal thoughts on what makes a great guide and leader.

Susan touches on her decades-long career as a naturalist, must-see birds in Asia and the American Northwest, and her favorite places to travel.

Finally, Susan shares what she is most looking forward to when she can jump back into the field post-COVID.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

● [2:57] How Susan became a naturalist and got started guiding bird watch tours

● [6:46] Susan’s favorite destination in Asia

● [8:55] Susan takes us through one of her typical tours

● [12:27] How many birds you can expect to see during one of Susan’s tours in Borneo

● [15:02] Where Susan finds inspiration as a leader

● [16:31] Susan speaks on the camaraderie among the guides at WINGS

● [17:07] The unique intimacy of a birding tour

● [22:21] How many birds has Susan seen in her lifetime?

● [24:59] Documenting birds on research trips

● [27:02] Possible reasons for the huge decline in migratory birds in the past few months

● [29:05] Susan’s favorite stories from one of her trips

● [31:17] Susan’s go-to places in Japan

● [32:23] Tips for amateur bird watchers

● [34:22] Hard-to-find birds in the U.S.

● [37:12] What Susan has been working on ever since the pandemic halted her tours

● [39:44] What Susan misses about leading birding tours

Key Quotes by Susan:

● “One of the things you’ve got to know about birding is that the mornings are really important. That old adage really is true: ‘The early bird catches the worm.’ In this case, ‘The early birder catches the bird.’”

● “Birding requires patience, full stop, whether you’re talking about the birds or other birders. It should be mutual—hopefully the clients are patient with me because sometimes it’s frustrating when you can’t find the bird you’re looking to show them.”

● “The most important thing for people who want to come on a birding tour is to have a good pair of binoculars. Very occasionally, we’ve had people come on tours with a cheap pair of binoculars. It’s a bit crazy because you’re spending a lot of money on this tour but you’re not spending money on the equipment you need to enjoy the trip. You wouldn’t go snorkeling without a mask; you don’t go birding without binoculars.”

● “One of the blessings of being a naturalist is that you will never be bored. Not in your whole life will you ever be bored. It doesn’t matter where you are; there will be some sort of critter that is going to give you hours of fascination and keep you busy.”

Links:
Wings Bird Tours
Susan Myers Profile
Susan's Links
Birds of Borneo - Susan Myers
eBird - Cornell University
Waxwings (Songs and photos)
Sounds of the Bornean Jungle

Our sponsor:
The Ready State

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Leading Steep: Cari Gray

In this episode, Barry sits down with Cari Gray of Gray & Co. After having been an adventure guide and business leader for 14 years at Butterfield & Robinson, Cari decided to branch out and establish her own boutique travel agency in 2009. Today, Cari crafts private trips for the uber-wealthy, and the company itself won the #1 Operator in the 2016 Travel & Leisure World's Best Award.

In this conversation, Cari’s not going to be sharing any names, but she will be pulling back the curtain on the ins-and-outs of running her widely lauded adventure venture.

Cari shares her thoughts on how empathy and humility play key roles in guide ethos and how she put together a team of guides who embody these traits.

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Finally, Cari speaks on the traits that separate stellar guides from everyone else.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

● [3:32] Cari’s early days as a guide in her 20s

● [9:10] The benefits of allowing for moments of serendipity as a guide

● [11:40] Cari’s favorite experiences during her first year of guiding in France

● [14:20] What guide ethos means to Cari

● [17:20] How Gray & Co. came to be

● [22:30] How Cari finds her guides

● [25:03] Why great guides are like great wait staff

● [29:45] Crafting “unscripted” adventures for discretionary clients

● [33:45] Putting together multigenerational active trips

● [38:30] Current travel hotspots for Cari’s ultra-high-net-worth clients

● [48:16] The importance of stamina, resourcefulness, and teamplay for any guide

Key Quotes by Cari:

● “The key to guiding, whether with friends or business colleagues, is managing expectations and giving people a really clear picture of how the day is going to unfold. Give people control of some of the variables, but make sure that nothing is formulaic and that there is always that dramatic moment—arriving at just the right time for the sunset or coming across that amazing farmer that was willing to let us taste the grapes. Some serendipity layered on top is always a good addition.”

● “Oftentimes, the things that make the biggest difference to [guests] are not the things you can just buy. It’s the wisdom and the experience and the forethought of what might please these people and then putting all the pieces together to make it happen.”

● “‘Slow down to see the world’ is such a timeless slogan and all the more important now after COVID where we all have a renewed appreciation for the smallest details, a lot of which we’ve been deprived of, whether it’s the perfect bowl of pasta in Italy or the incredible tapas in Spain.”

Resources Mentioned:

Gray & Co.

The Ready State

Leading Steep

Leading Steep Fireside on Facebook

[email protected]

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Leading Steep: Susan Purvis

In this episode, Barry sits down with Susan Purvis of Crested Butte Outdoors, an outdoor educational training center specializing in wilderness medicine, avalanche, and avalanche dog training. She is also a Lead Instructor with Wilderness Medical Associates and the American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education (AIARE).

Susan’s memoir, Go Find: My Journey to Find the Lost—and Myself, won the Nautilus Silver Book Award April 2019.

Listen in as Susan shares how she developed a passion for outdoor adventures and how that passion led to her decision to become a wilderness medicine instructor.

She recounts her travels to the coldest, hottest, and highest places on the planet, including a 45-day mission to recover and repair a crashed DC-3 aircraft in Antarctica, a documentary shoot in Ethiopia’s Danakil Depression, and teaching medical courses to African guides in Kilimanjaro.

Susan then talks about her favorite places to visit around the world, for work and for play.

Finally, Susan shares what she has learned after 25 years of teaching, and why she believes that every person in their 20s should consider starting their own business.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

● [2:21] Susan walks us through a typical day in her life

● [3:54] How Susan got into outdoor sports

● [7:27] Susan’s multifaceted professional background, in a nutshell

● [10:01] What it’s like at Crested Butte

● [12:25] The decision to become a ski patroller

● [15:00] How Tasha the dog came into Susan’s life

● [17:06] What happens in an avalanche and how it becomes a dangerous situation

● [18:58] Becoming a wilderness medicine instructor

● [21:45] Susan’s first adventure in Antarctica

● [26:39] Susan’s second adventure in Antarctica

● [28:02] Susan’s adventure in Ethiopia’s Danakil Depression

● [29:18] Susan’s principal work

● [30:18] Susan’s career as a guide

● [32:39] Why the Eastern side of the divide at Glacier National Park is “one of the most powerful places” Susan has ever been to

● [34:30] Susan’s favorite places to work and to relax

● [36:40] What Susan has learned after 25 years of teaching and running her business

● [40:25] Susan’s teaching style

● [43:15] A trick to become a better guide or leader

● [44:20] Why everyone in their 20s should consider starting their own business

Key Quotes by Susan:

● “All people need is a little education and you give them power.”

● “What we teach in wilderness medicine is this: Everything we do has risks and everything we do has benefits.”

● “From the partner you go to bed with to the person you do business with to the person you go hiking with—pick your partners wisely.”

● “As guides, we have to have our brain working all the time.”

Resources Mentioned:

Crested Butte Outdoors

Susan Purvis

Go Find on Amazon
The Rescue of Lidia
BBC in the Danakil Depression

SOTAR

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