
ADHD is “Get-out-of-able”: An Interview with Dr. Ned Hallowell, the Godfather of ADHD
01/06/20 • 32 min
On his 70th birthday, Edward (Ned) Hallowell, M.D. shares his unflinchingly positive outlook about adults with ADHD and the gift it can be in our lives.
Dr. Hallowell's 1994 best-selling book Driven to Distraction remains one of the single most important books about adults with ADHD ever written. His latest book, V.A.S.T., argues that ADHD is an outdated name and that Variable Attention Stimulus Trait is a much better one.
Finally, Dr. Hallowell shares his belief that ADHD is "get-out-of-able." That diagnosing, treating, and learning to harness ADHD's gifts puts an end to the suffering it can bring.
Learn More about Dr. Hallowell
- The Hallowell Centers
- Books by Dr. Hallowell
- Dr. Hallowell on ADDitude Magazine
- Distraction Podcast with Dr. Ned Hallowell
Two Quotes
"In my career, I have not been treating disabilities. I have been helping people unwrap their gifts."
"ADHD can ruin your life and just make life a living hell if you don't know what's going on. And that's so sad because this living hell is get-out-of-able. You don't have to live in it. You don't have to suffer."
ADHD Resources in this Episode
JDHD | For Lawyers with ADHD
- You can learn lots more, read the show notes, and much, more by visiting TheJDHD.com/5.
- Join the JDHD mailing list.
- Sign up for my totally free 10-Day email course, "An Introduction to ADHD for Lawyers."
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On his 70th birthday, Edward (Ned) Hallowell, M.D. shares his unflinchingly positive outlook about adults with ADHD and the gift it can be in our lives.
Dr. Hallowell's 1994 best-selling book Driven to Distraction remains one of the single most important books about adults with ADHD ever written. His latest book, V.A.S.T., argues that ADHD is an outdated name and that Variable Attention Stimulus Trait is a much better one.
Finally, Dr. Hallowell shares his belief that ADHD is "get-out-of-able." That diagnosing, treating, and learning to harness ADHD's gifts puts an end to the suffering it can bring.
Learn More about Dr. Hallowell
- The Hallowell Centers
- Books by Dr. Hallowell
- Dr. Hallowell on ADDitude Magazine
- Distraction Podcast with Dr. Ned Hallowell
Two Quotes
"In my career, I have not been treating disabilities. I have been helping people unwrap their gifts."
"ADHD can ruin your life and just make life a living hell if you don't know what's going on. And that's so sad because this living hell is get-out-of-able. You don't have to live in it. You don't have to suffer."
ADHD Resources in this Episode
JDHD | For Lawyers with ADHD
- You can learn lots more, read the show notes, and much, more by visiting TheJDHD.com/5.
- Join the JDHD mailing list.
- Sign up for my totally free 10-Day email course, "An Introduction to ADHD for Lawyers."
- Sign up for our text newsletter— Text “JDHD” to (551) 212-8883 to join!
- Follow JDHD (and Marshall Lichty) on your favorite social channels!
- Twitter (JDHD)
- Twitter (Marshall)
- Subscribe to our YouTube channel.
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Learning to Mind Map Quickly & Easily for Lawyers with ADHD
Get this episode's show notes (https://TheJDHD.com/4) and watch the video on YouTube (https://youtu.be/ukaxL4enuwU)
Mind mapping is a powerful productivity habit for lawyers with ADHD.
In this video, we walk through through mind mapping for productivity, including the basics, when and how to use it, and some great software tools to help you get started. We also talk about other resources to learn more about mind mapping and do a deep-dive into Mind Node, one specific mind mapping tool that Marshall uses frequently as a lawyer with ADD to get started with brainstorming, outlining, and finishing projects.
Mind Mapping Tools Mentioned in this Episode:
- MindNode
- Xmind
- Bubbl
- WiseMapping
- Mindomo
- Coggle
- OmniGraffle
- LucidChart
- Microsoft Visio
- MindMeister
- Mappio/Biggerplate
Additional Mind Mapping Resources:
- Tony Buzan’s TED Talk
- Lawyerist.com on Mind Mapping
- Mind Map Art (“Showcasing the world’s finest mind maps”)
- The Complete Guide on How to Mind Map for Beginners
- The Best Mind Mapping Software on G2
JDHD | For Lawyers with ADHD
Are you interested in learning more about ADHD in general or ADHD for lawyers in particular? You can listen to this video as a podcast, read the show notes, and much more by visiting TheJDHD.com/4.
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Helpers Gonna Help: Ethics lawyer, entrepreneur, and innovator extraordinaire Megan Zavieh
Megan Zavieh is a lawyer who helps other lawyers. She's a California state bar defense lawyer, an entrepreneur, an innovator and #legaltech nerd, and an omnipresent voice in attorney mental health and well-being.
In today's episode, we talk about lawyers with ADHD, shame, helping self-represented lawyers in attorney discipline proceedings, and how anxiety, depression, and ADHD show up as frequent patterns in Megan's clients.
We also talk about building law firms with margin and space and systems and incremental improvement. Megan's story inspires all of us lawyers with ADHD: we don't need "perfect" systems. We need the curiosity to start building them and the habit of improving them over time.
Learn More about Megan Zavieh
- YouTube
- ZaviehLaw.com
- Megan's podcast, Lawyers Gone Ethical, and the Lawyers Gone Ethical episode we recorded together.
- The State Bar Playbook
Two Quotes
“These people need help. These are the lawyers that I always said back when I was 18 that I want to be their psychiatrist. I don’t want to be their psychiatrist anymore, but I can be their counselor, and I can be their guide through this process.”
"Maybe you don't need medication, maybe you don't need to go to a psychiatrist, but we need to talk about this. And I think that lawyer-to-lawyer is going to be the best network for us to be having those conversations so that in the future you start to find out early on that if you get that feeling, it means you need to do something, not that there's something wrong with you."
ADHD Resources in this Episode
- Acuity Scheduling (*When I recorded this episode with Megan, I wasn't an affiliate. But now I am an Acuity affiliate. If you use my link, I'll get a small commission that helps JDHD stay focused. I use and endorse Acuity without reservation and without influence from my affiliate status.)
- Calendly
- Lawyerist LabCon (f/k/a TBD Law)
- ABA TECHSHOW
JDHD | For Lawyers with ADHD
- You can learn lots more, read the show notes, and much, more by visiting TheJDHD.com/6.
- Join the JDHD mailing list.
- Sign up for my totally free 10-Day email course, "An Introduction to ADHD for Lawyers."
- Sign up for our text newsletter— Text “JDHD” to (551) 212-8883 to join!
- Follow JDHD (and Marshall Lichty) on your favorite social channels!
- Twitter (JDHD)
- Twitter (Marshall)
- Subscribe to our YouTube channel.
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