
Hart Lambur: UMA, Across, Oval, and MEV capture for protocols
01/24/24 • 61 min
This is my conversation with Hart Lambur. We talk about Hart's path in building UMA (an oracle using schelling points to bring data onchain), Across (an intents-based bridge connecting ETH/L2s), and now Oval (MEV capture for oracle price updates).
Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - Intro
(00:01:29) - Sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:02:50) - The idea maze, Goldman Sachs, RFQ systems, legal vs smart contracts
(00:11:03) - UMA, schelling point and optimistic oracle
(00:16:41) - Raising the seed round
(00:19:38) - Across, intent-based bridging architecture
(00:30:42) - Sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:31:52) - Oval
(00:46:15) - MEV capture for protocols
(01:01:22) - Outro
Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io
Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com
Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.
This is my conversation with Hart Lambur. We talk about Hart's path in building UMA (an oracle using schelling points to bring data onchain), Across (an intents-based bridge connecting ETH/L2s), and now Oval (MEV capture for oracle price updates).
Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - Intro
(00:01:29) - Sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:02:50) - The idea maze, Goldman Sachs, RFQ systems, legal vs smart contracts
(00:11:03) - UMA, schelling point and optimistic oracle
(00:16:41) - Raising the seed round
(00:19:38) - Across, intent-based bridging architecture
(00:30:42) - Sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:31:52) - Oval
(00:46:15) - MEV capture for protocols
(01:01:22) - Outro
Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io
Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com
Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.
Previous Episode

Jesse Pollak: Base, Coinbase's path to building an L2
This is my conversation with Jesse Pollak. He led retail engineering at Coinbase for many years — building Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, and Coinbase Wallet. More recently, he is leading the development of Base, Coinbase's L2 built on the OP Stack.
Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:43) - sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:03:07) - motivation behind Base
(00:11:12) - pitching Base to the Coinbase exec team
(00:14:24) - challenges of innovating on a schedule
(00:17:54) - failing repeatedly to find the right answer
(00:22:09) - decision to build an L2 with Michael
(00:23:30) - convincing Surojit Chatterjee, Coinbase’s CPO
(00:24:59) - launching Base internally
(00:31:58) - blockchains as serverless compute
(00:36:53) - uniswap as a serverless API for currency conversion
(00:39:30) - the power of small but leveraged teams
(00:42:31) - how to straddle product building in the onchain and offchain world
(00:45:25) - sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:51:22) - the significance of THIS moment in Crypto
(00:53:56) - getting a 100M devs and 1B users onchain
(00:57:02) - how the NFT UX will change with Base
(01:10:13) - how crypto will be incorporated in applications
(01:14:00) - the risk of onchain heterogeneity
(01:17:27) - building privacy-oriented onchain platforms
(01:26:00) - upgrading the financial system
(01:28:33) - attending Quaker School
(01:34:43) - relentless positivity in life
(01:38:47) - building a better future
Jesse Pollak:
jesse.xyz on ETH - https://jesse.xyz/
Twitter - https://twitter.com/jessepollak
Github - https://github.com/jessepollak
Links:
Base - https://base.org/
Coinbase - https://www.coinbase.com/
Brian Armstrong - https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong
Surojit Chatterjee Coinbase’s CPO - https://www.coinbase.com/blog/welcome-surojit-chatterjee-coinbases-chief-product-officer
OP Stack - https://stack.optimism.io/
Uniswap - https://uniswap.org/
Goldfinch - https://goldfinch.finance/
Zora - https://zora.co/
Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io
Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com
Produced by - https://spectral.to
Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.
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#26 – Vitalik Buterin: making sense in a changing world
This is my conversation with Vitalik Buterin, creator of Ethereum.
Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:07) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:02:17) - micro prediction markets, community notes, AIs as participants
(00:14:13) - decentralized social networks, zk identity, Dark Forest, and Frogcrypto
(00:25:54) - the dense jungle
(00:30:08) - sponsor: Privy
(00:31:29) - political instability, technology
(00:34:16) - coordination and technology in climate
(00:36:13) - AI, debugging and drawing, agency, security
(00:44:02) - timeline for the singularity
(00:52:36 ) -living to a 1000 years old
(00:54:00) - brain-computer interfaces
(01:02:15) - Lojban
Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io
Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com
Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.
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