3 - Imaginary Games for Grown Ups

07/06/23 • 43 min

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Ishmael theorizes our culture is held captive by a story, a mythology we take for granted, act out every day, and is leading to the destruction of the world. So in this episode we tell this story out loud, from beginning, to middle, to end.

Along the way we chat with a 6-year-old animal expert, discuss adult imaginary games, analyze the subliminal cultural messages conveyed in religion and philosophy, and meet a sassy imaginary top hat with a poorly performed Brooklyn accent.

Taker Mythology, the grand sweeping narrative playing out behind the scenes of our culture, just might explain how we got here and where we’re going... if we don’t find a way to tell another story.

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Citations

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (1992)

A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold (1949)

Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes (1651)

Music: Celestial Soda Pop

By: Ray Lynch

From the album: Deep Breakfast

Courtesy Ray Lynch Productions © P 1984/BMI

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Citations

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (1992)

A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold (1949)

Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes (1651)

Music: Celestial Soda Pop

By: Ray Lynch

From the album: Deep Breakfast

Courtesy Ray Lynch Productions © P 1984/BMI

1. Amazon: Celestial Soda Pop

https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B000QQXURI

2. iTunes:

https://music.apple.com/us/album/celestial-soda-pop/3242445?i=3242425

3. Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2THDVIVytLuGX7S7UghuC1?si=20ea63807bba401f

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2 - Your Call To Adventure

Why can’t we seem to stop destroying the world? Like seriously though?

Ishmael, the telepathic gorilla from Daniel Quinn’s philosophical novel, suggests we’re captives of a society where our individual society depends on our collective destruction.

As we embark on our quest through the landscape of ideas in Quinn’s novel, we’ll travel to a dystopian future where Nazi Germany won the war, meet our long lost furry and feathery cousins, explore a sinister layer where villainous henchman plot the end of the world, conduct an investigation into a planet-wide crime scene, and meet the gorilla we’ve all been waiting for.

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Citations

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (1992)

Gerta Keller, Professor of Paleontology and Geology in the Geosciences Department at Princeton University

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/world/sixth-mass-extinction-accelerating-intl/index.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/un-environment-programme_us_684562

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0959378094900035

Music: Celestial Soda Pop

By: Ray Lynch

From the album: Deep Breakfast

Courtesy Ray Lynch Productions © P 1984/BMI

1. Amazon: Celestial Soda Pop

https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B000QQXURI

2. iTunes:

https://music.apple.com/us/album/celestial-soda-pop/3242445?i=3242425

3. Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2THDVIVytLuGX7S7UghuC1?si=20ea63807bba401f

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4 - Takers and Leavers

In this episode we take a step back from Ishmael to better view the philosophical context it was written in.

We explore the history of the terms “civilized” and “primitive” and how their definitions have evolved over time.

Topics include: Rome’s influence on Western European colonization, noble savage theory, primitivism, and the rise of the identity “indigenous”.

When we say civilization who do we include and exclude? Who is civilized and what does that mean?

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Citations

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (1992)

The Dawn of Everything by David Wengrow and David Graeber (2021)

Of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford (1620-1647)

Indigenous Continent: The Epic Conquest of North America by Pekka Hämäläinen (2022)

Music: Celestial Soda Pop

By: Ray Lynch

From the album: Deep Breakfast

1. Amazon: Celestial Soda Pop

https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B000QQXURI

2. iTunes:

https://music.apple.com/us/album/celestial-soda-pop/3242445?i=3242425

3. Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2THDVIVytLuGX7S7UghuC1?si=20ea63807bba401f

Human Nature Odyssey - 3 - Imaginary Games for Grown Ups

Transcript

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Oh. You think I'm going to interview Mickey for a podcast? Have you ever listen to a podcast? No. You can't let us do it.

00:00:10.943

So first you say we have a new guy, which is me media then. And then like if you're having questions about animals, then answered, would you like to say your name and how old you are? Nietzsche. I'm six. I would love to talk about animals. You said animals are a specialty of the things you're interested in talking ab