
Managing metadata for drama-free publishing – with Emma Barnes
08/02/24 • 39 min
We take for granted that books contain no mistakes, but the absence of mistakes is no small achievement. It takes care, commitment, and very, very good processes.
In publishing, even a small mistake can spell disaster. Luckily, there are people who spend careers helping us avoid those disasters, by giving us the words and the tools to care about the details. Their work is not glamorous, but it is fascinating. Much of that work is about metadata: the information about books that makes up the circulatory system of the book industry.
In this episode, Arthur talks to one of the smartest people in the field: Emma Barnes, the founder of the publishing-management system Consonance, and the managing director of indie publisher Snowbooks. She’s also a university lecturer, and the creator of the online platform Make Our Book, which schools use for their kids to make beautiful books from their own stories.
Links from the show:
- Consonance
- Snowbooks
- Make Our Book
- A video of Emma Barnes speaking about publishing a thousand children’s stories on Make Our Book, innovation in the publishing industry, and the future of publishing.
- Book Machine’s interview with Emma Barnes, where she speaks about ‘not working for the man’.
- Article on Publishing Perspectives about Emma’s journey in coding and publishing.
- Electric Book Works
We take for granted that books contain no mistakes, but the absence of mistakes is no small achievement. It takes care, commitment, and very, very good processes.
In publishing, even a small mistake can spell disaster. Luckily, there are people who spend careers helping us avoid those disasters, by giving us the words and the tools to care about the details. Their work is not glamorous, but it is fascinating. Much of that work is about metadata: the information about books that makes up the circulatory system of the book industry.
In this episode, Arthur talks to one of the smartest people in the field: Emma Barnes, the founder of the publishing-management system Consonance, and the managing director of indie publisher Snowbooks. She’s also a university lecturer, and the creator of the online platform Make Our Book, which schools use for their kids to make beautiful books from their own stories.
Links from the show:
- Consonance
- Snowbooks
- Make Our Book
- A video of Emma Barnes speaking about publishing a thousand children’s stories on Make Our Book, innovation in the publishing industry, and the future of publishing.
- Book Machine’s interview with Emma Barnes, where she speaks about ‘not working for the man’.
- Article on Publishing Perspectives about Emma’s journey in coding and publishing.
- Electric Book Works
Previous Episode

How do ebooks work at all? – with Dave Cramer
Would you believe that the entire ebook marketplace – including Kindle, iBooks, and thousands of ebook stores – depends on the volunteer work of about a dozen people?
There are millions of ebooks for sale online, and thousands more every day. How could any human bookseller check that they even work, and that they don’t contain malicious code? The ebook marketplace can only exist because there are rules for how an ebook is made, and an official, automatic way to check that it follows them.
The people who create those rules, called standards, are volunteers. Dave Cramer is one of them. He’s been contributing to web and ebook standards, making books, and designing software that makes books, for over thirty years, mostly at Hachette USA. He talks to Arthur about creating standards, how ebooks are made, using CSS for print layout, and the ongoing push and pull between digital-first and InDesign-based publishing.
Links from the show:
- ‘Wiring for Change’, Dave’s talk with Brian O’Leary at the BISG in March 2024
- The EPUB 3.3 specification
- EPUBCheck
- The W3C CSS Working Group
- Ace by DAISY, for checking epub accessibility
- Electric Book Works
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Building tools for creative communities – with Hugh McGuire
Creative communities can be a powerful force for good. Online, they grow around tools that let people be creative together. What comes first, the tools or the community?
Two acclaimed book-making platforms with vibrant communities are LibriVox and Pressbooks, both created by Hugh McGuire. On LibriVox, thousands of people have helped to create audiobooks that anyone can download. On Pressbooks, teachers around the world are producing open textbooks for colleges and universities. In this episode, Arthur finds out how they came to be, and what we can learn from Hugh’s experience. What does it take to build tools that creative people will gather around?
Links from the show:
How Books Are Made - Managing metadata for drama-free publishing – with Emma Barnes
Transcript
Hello, and welcome to How Books Are Made. A podcast about the art and science of making books. I'm Arthur Attwell.
Arthur AttwellI often wonder, why do humans love books so much? We love them so much that we spend vastly more to buy them new than to buy them secondhand. We love them so much that we've never let them become infested with advertising. We even believe what's written in books more tha
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