Episode 4: "You're So Brave"

The crucial moment in so many stories about leaving the Orthodox community is the decision itself, which is frequently portrayed as a painful and heroic act, one that requires tremendous willpower. But leaving rarely works this way; instead, it is a messy and gradual process, one that can leave scars on both the leaver and their community. This episode examines the act of leaving, and whether it is always the leaver who decides that it’s time to go.

Episode Credits:

Written by Naomi Seidman and Produced by M. Louis Gordon. Recorded by Lucien Lozon at MCS Studios Toronto. Mixed by Cory Choy at Silver Sound NYC, with theme music by Luke Allen with special thanks to Alex Dillon. Our Senior Producer is David Zvi Kalman.

Heretic in the House is a podcast from the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America.

Additional links and further reading:

• Elad Nehorai's writing can be found here on The Forward, The Daily Beast, Haaretz, Times of Israel, and on his Substack.
• Jericho Vincent's work can be found on her website. Their memoir is called Cut Me Loose: Sin and Salvation after my Ultra-Orthodox Girlhood.
• See also: Ayala Fader's (Professor of Anthropology, Fordham University) book Hidden Heretics: Jewish Doubt in the Digital Age.
• Pearl Gluck's documentary Divan, about her Hungarian Hasidic roots.
• Izzy Posen's Yiddish language Physics courses, available on his Youtube channel.
• Zalman Newfield's book Degrees of Separation: Identity Formation While Leaving Ultra-Orthodox Judaism, and his other work, can be found on his website.
• Sign up for Frieda Vizel's tours of Hasidic Williamsburg at her website. She also has virtual tours and other videos that take you inside Brooklyn Hasidic life on her Youtube channel.

Naomi Seidman, writer and host of this limited series, is a professor of Jewish Studies at the University of Toronto, and a Shalom Hartman Institute Fellow. Her latest book is called Sarah Schenirer and the Bais Yaakov Movement: A Revolution in the Name of Tradition, about the founder of, and the movement for, Orthodox Jewish girls' education in the twentieth century.