
2025 and beyond: DePIN's role in the next crypto wave
12/19/24 • 30 min
Dive into the future of decentralized infrastructure with Elisha Owusu Akyaw and Fluence Labs CEO Tom Trowbridge on this episode of Hashing It Out.
Discover how DePIN (Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks) disrupts centralized giants, enables real-world utility and shapes blockchain's next frontier. Tom unpacks the challenges, opportunities and innovations driving Fluence Labs and the broader DePIN ecosystem, offering a compelling vision for 2025 and beyond.
(00:03) Introduction to Tom Trowbridge and DePIN
(01:24) Tom’s Journey into Web3 and DePIN
(03:26) What is DePIN? A Clear Definition
(05:20) Is DePIN a Meme or a Game-Changer?
(08:26) Why Fluence Labs? Tackling Centralization in the Cloud
(11:53) How Decentralization Enhances Security and Scalability
(13:42) Marketing DePIN: Product First, Crypto Second
(19:27) Role of Tokens in DePIN Projects
(23:28) DePIN Use Cases: What Excites Tom Most?
(27:07) Lessons Learned from Building in DePIN
(28:58) What’s Next for Fluence and DePIN in 2025?
(30:32) Closing Remarks
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The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast are its participants’ alone and do not necessarily reflect or represent the views and opinions of Cointelegraph. This podcast (and any related content) is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial advice, nor should it be taken as such. Everyone must do their own research and make their own decisions. The podcast’s participants may or may not own any of the assets mentioned.
Dive into the future of decentralized infrastructure with Elisha Owusu Akyaw and Fluence Labs CEO Tom Trowbridge on this episode of Hashing It Out.
Discover how DePIN (Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks) disrupts centralized giants, enables real-world utility and shapes blockchain's next frontier. Tom unpacks the challenges, opportunities and innovations driving Fluence Labs and the broader DePIN ecosystem, offering a compelling vision for 2025 and beyond.
(00:03) Introduction to Tom Trowbridge and DePIN
(01:24) Tom’s Journey into Web3 and DePIN
(03:26) What is DePIN? A Clear Definition
(05:20) Is DePIN a Meme or a Game-Changer?
(08:26) Why Fluence Labs? Tackling Centralization in the Cloud
(11:53) How Decentralization Enhances Security and Scalability
(13:42) Marketing DePIN: Product First, Crypto Second
(19:27) Role of Tokens in DePIN Projects
(23:28) DePIN Use Cases: What Excites Tom Most?
(27:07) Lessons Learned from Building in DePIN
(28:58) What’s Next for Fluence and DePIN in 2025?
(30:32) Closing Remarks
Follow Tom Trowbridge on X: @TheTomTrow
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast are its participants’ alone and do not necessarily reflect or represent the views and opinions of Cointelegraph. This podcast (and any related content) is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial advice, nor should it be taken as such. Everyone must do their own research and make their own decisions. The podcast’s participants may or may not own any of the assets mentioned.
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25:23 – Closing Remarks
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