
GHIT 0071: Special Guest Driver and Judge Craig Ledbetter
11/06/19 • 120 min
We talk with Craig Ledbetter aka Craiggers, one of our favorite judges and team member of the Terminally Confused racing team from the 24 Hours of Lemons team. Initially we review our future race at CMP and some of the recent debacle we had with relocating our El Jeffe/Bad Hombre race truck from a few episodes back. Bill also makes a subtle plea to be a judge at some point.
Craiggers has been a car guy for many, many years and has been racing for almost a decade. We try to summarize many things from his vast history and things he has learned to do well, and things he has learned not to do. His first car, at his first race, failed tech, so his history has started similarly to most others we know. Unfortunately, his first race did not end with a checkered flag due to a lug nut tightening issue and a lack of repair talent and experience at that point.
Craiggers and Curt are also well known in the southeast for their green egg derived barbecue parties in the lemons paddock. Its not quite America’s Butt but it is reportedly awesome and a do not miss item. We end up bribing them to bring up the green eggs to the NJMP race in 2020 by offering them seats in the soon to be completed Capri. No pressure Alan. Ok, a lot of pressure, since its up to you to feed the entire lemons paddock.
We eventually went into how our team is doing and what we could do better along with how his team has progressed and learned over the years. This ended up taking a lot of the episode and ends up with tons of good information. This also forms the basis of the winter training program we are working on, as we speak. Alan reviews his legendary pro move to load a trailer. Luckily, Vicki won’t listen to the podcast. Lol.
A lot of these stories came from the recent race at NHMS where we just raced and Craig was one of the judges.
Craig gets into his deliciously/devilishly bad plan for his RX-8. Its not quite as bad as Alan mis-heard, but it is still a bit of engineering required. It will likely come out better than Craig’s repair of the Fury at an earlier race. (Details within)
We ended up developing a training matrix for our team, largely as a result of this episode. Please let us know if you are interested. We like to share what we learn. Some of it may even be useful.
Key points of interest we covered were:
1) How to successfully compete in lemons, beyond self-selection
2) Is speed creep in Lemons factual or perception, or merely a result of the overall increase in performance of relatively newer cars
3) ECU Tuning and modification strategy
4) We develop a new strategy of making our cars last longer (If we don’t drive them, ...)
5) Alan and Craiggers discuss wheel bearing condition and potential management strategies, which led into the discussion of Alan and his CSI investigation/discussion with Judge Craiggers. Strap in, this one is a doozy, and Alan
6) (Im)proper use of 1970’s LTD’s as cornering aides
7) Managing room and knowing which cars (and drivers) to manage in heavily crowded tracks
8) Bill has bad Road Atlanta flashbacks from last year
9) Many Judge stories from Judge Craiggers
10) NJMP planning and potential bribing opportunities if we had 3 racing cars ready
11) Craiggers takes a very solid run at the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
12) Bill’s mom’s actual podcast listening is brought into question
13) Is it possible to make a Lemons legal rocket powered car? Why yes, yes it is.
14) How to properly use 1960’s brakes in a racing condition and at least one method for how to determine if a car is race ready
15) Potential ways to entertain Lemons judges at a race
Where else are you going to hear about a jet powered golf cart? Now, that’s real racing!
Craig is nearly useless for theming, but a bunch of fun, as always.
We hope you enjoy the episode as much as we have.
We talk with Craig Ledbetter aka Craiggers, one of our favorite judges and team member of the Terminally Confused racing team from the 24 Hours of Lemons team. Initially we review our future race at CMP and some of the recent debacle we had with relocating our El Jeffe/Bad Hombre race truck from a few episodes back. Bill also makes a subtle plea to be a judge at some point.
Craiggers has been a car guy for many, many years and has been racing for almost a decade. We try to summarize many things from his vast history and things he has learned to do well, and things he has learned not to do. His first car, at his first race, failed tech, so his history has started similarly to most others we know. Unfortunately, his first race did not end with a checkered flag due to a lug nut tightening issue and a lack of repair talent and experience at that point.
Craiggers and Curt are also well known in the southeast for their green egg derived barbecue parties in the lemons paddock. Its not quite America’s Butt but it is reportedly awesome and a do not miss item. We end up bribing them to bring up the green eggs to the NJMP race in 2020 by offering them seats in the soon to be completed Capri. No pressure Alan. Ok, a lot of pressure, since its up to you to feed the entire lemons paddock.
We eventually went into how our team is doing and what we could do better along with how his team has progressed and learned over the years. This ended up taking a lot of the episode and ends up with tons of good information. This also forms the basis of the winter training program we are working on, as we speak. Alan reviews his legendary pro move to load a trailer. Luckily, Vicki won’t listen to the podcast. Lol.
A lot of these stories came from the recent race at NHMS where we just raced and Craig was one of the judges.
Craig gets into his deliciously/devilishly bad plan for his RX-8. Its not quite as bad as Alan mis-heard, but it is still a bit of engineering required. It will likely come out better than Craig’s repair of the Fury at an earlier race. (Details within)
We ended up developing a training matrix for our team, largely as a result of this episode. Please let us know if you are interested. We like to share what we learn. Some of it may even be useful.
Key points of interest we covered were:
1) How to successfully compete in lemons, beyond self-selection
2) Is speed creep in Lemons factual or perception, or merely a result of the overall increase in performance of relatively newer cars
3) ECU Tuning and modification strategy
4) We develop a new strategy of making our cars last longer (If we don’t drive them, ...)
5) Alan and Craiggers discuss wheel bearing condition and potential management strategies, which led into the discussion of Alan and his CSI investigation/discussion with Judge Craiggers. Strap in, this one is a doozy, and Alan
6) (Im)proper use of 1970’s LTD’s as cornering aides
7) Managing room and knowing which cars (and drivers) to manage in heavily crowded tracks
8) Bill has bad Road Atlanta flashbacks from last year
9) Many Judge stories from Judge Craiggers
10) NJMP planning and potential bribing opportunities if we had 3 racing cars ready
11) Craiggers takes a very solid run at the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
12) Bill’s mom’s actual podcast listening is brought into question
13) Is it possible to make a Lemons legal rocket powered car? Why yes, yes it is.
14) How to properly use 1960’s brakes in a racing condition and at least one method for how to determine if a car is race ready
15) Potential ways to entertain Lemons judges at a race
Where else are you going to hear about a jet powered golf cart? Now, that’s real racing!
Craig is nearly useless for theming, but a bunch of fun, as always.
We hope you enjoy the episode as much as we have.
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GHiT 0070: Race Bar - Baby Shark Racing team takeover
On this week’s episode, we lose all pretenses of control with our guests from the Race Bar/Baby Shark racing team stage a coup of the podcast. Strap in for one of the most unique episodes that we have ever had with your unofficial hosts for this week James Webb and Jeff Caplan. Jennifer, Alan, Vicki and Bill were just along for the ride on this one. With that, here is the Baby Shark episode, just when you thought it was out of your head from NHMS!!!
On this episode, we attempted to cover:
1) Just who is Ron Mexico and why is Ron Mexico and how is Ron Mexico and a virtual tour of VIR
2) Bill Breaks the record for horn sound effects needed in one episode to retain our Non-E rated streak
3) It takes almost 6 minutes to get to our intro, you’ll see why
4) We did not have the entire team on, but probably couldn’t handle them if we did
5) The origin of the BMW 7 series race car/bar and our introduction at the last NJMP race
6) How and why “Baby Shark” came to be and how the “livery” came to be
7) The differences in Lemons teams and Champ Car teams as well as their response to Race Bar
8) Our great new race driver Jeff Wright and his NHMS experiences
9) Deaf Power Racing team impending launch
10) Alan wants a car stereo upgrade to our cars, yet another bad idea
11) What PCCA thinks of Race Bar at their HPDE
12) Their 10-year plan
13) The GHiT goals and reasons why we are doing this
14) Several drive by guests came on as well
15) Vicki explains why we stopped on the way home from NHMS and how the Three Pedal Mafia came to our rescue, again
16) They share their issues with car growth in their stable as well
17) Ron Mexico interviews at least twenty people for unknown reasons
18) The world series even makes a surprise appearance
19) Story time from the VIR 24 hour race with Ron Mexico and trash can football
20) Team intervention and exorcism goals for 2020
21) and we ended with a very entertaining and even useful Good, Bad, and the Ugly
Bill eventually admitted defeat and just went with wherever we wound up
Best regards,
Bill, Vicki, and Alan
Hosts of the Garage Heroes In Training podcast and team members in the GHiT
Our Immature Endurance Racing Team
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GHIT 0072: Race Bar Invasion - Part Deux
This week’s guests are once again from Race Bar, repeat offender, James Webb/The Jandy Man is now joined by Patrick McHugh/Richard Freelane, and Ben Dawson/Awesome Dawson, formerly of Winsome Racing and Race Bar pseudonym apparently still under construction, lol. You can blame us for trying to wrangle another episode from the Race Bar team. Instead of a visual guide of VIR, today we get a tour of a boat and the harbor by Richard Freelane.
We did manage to get a bit more of their team history and race car history and a few hints of things to come. If you have or know of any crab related lemons vehicles interested in helping this crazy team, they are looking for you. The stories varied in area, as we have come to expect from Race Bar, but they are always entertaining.
We even managed to have some actual race related information that could allow you to improve. We knew it was in there, we just had to keep digging to find it. Lol.
1) We talk through an introduction to Race Capture and a bit about Mega Squirt, what it is useful for and how to use it, especially important when you have a racing team with varied skill and experience levels. We also look at the importance of lap times with respect to endurance racing and endurance racing teams.
2) Special contacts to look for at VIR and Road Atlanta when your car needs a little extra TLC or repair, especially if you are looking for BMW or Miata parts.
3) HPDE and how to get better at racing, both faster and more consistent.
4) Somehow we had a quick review of both teams’ cars and their history.
5) Brief tire and brake pad selection discussions for endurance racing.
6) A comparison of the progress that can be made at HPDE’s and iRacing.
and finally, Bill picks Ben’s brain a bit about becoming a driving instructor in the future.
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