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For the Life of the World / Yale Center for Faith & Culture - N.T. Wright & Miroslav Volf / The Politics of Joy & Suffering in the Now and Not Yet

N.T. Wright & Miroslav Volf / The Politics of Joy & Suffering in the Now and Not Yet

01/22/22 • 23 min

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Can we find joy in our world? It's hard enough to find genuine, death-defying joy in the wake of the failure of the modern utopian project, the expectation that human reason and technology and political revolution might save us all. Overlay the malaise of modernity with this dumb pandemic, and the prospects for joy seem bleak. But for N.T. Wright, joy doesn't depend on the whims of circumstance or the proper function of the world. He speaks of the hardy resilience of joy, even in the midst of tragic, terrible, and untimely death. He speaks of the groanings of the Spirit, laboring and working in us even and especially when we can't find the words to explain the circumstances away. Today we're sharing Miroslav Volf's 2014 interview with the New Testament scholar, theologian, and Anglican bishop N.T. Wright. He's the former Bishop of Durham, he's Emeritus Professor University of St Andrews, and is Senior Research Fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford.

NOTE: For the Life of the World is running highlights, readings, lectures, and other best-of features until May 1, 2022, when we'll be back with new conversations.

About

N.T. Wright is a New Testament scholar, theologian, and Anglican bishop. He's the former Bishop of Durham, he's Emeritus Professor University of St Andrews, and is Senior Research Fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford. He's the author of many books, including Surprised by Hope, Paul: A Biography, God and the Pandemic, Simply Christian, The World the New Testament, and many more.

Show Notes

  • The connection between joy and God's deliverance and rescue
  • Joy at what God has done
  • Resurrection joy
  • Navigating "the now and the not yet"
  • What happens to joy in "the now and the not yet"
  • Waiting, suffering, and joy
  • Acts 12: James is killed by Herod's men, and Peter gets out of jail free
  • Differentiating types of suffering
  • Romans 8: The whole creation groaning as a woman in childbirth
  • 2 Corinthians 2:1-7 (NRSV) / So I made up my mind not to make you another painful visit. 2For if I cause you pain, who is there to make me glad but the one whom I have pained? 3And I wrote as I did, so that when I came, I might not suffer pain from those who should have made me rejoice; for I am confident about all of you, that my joy would be the joy of all of you. 4For I wrote to you out of much distress and anguish of heart and with many tears, not to cause you pain, but to let you know the abundant love that I have for you. 5 But if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but to some extent—not to exaggerate it—to all of you. 6This punishment by the majority is enough for such a person; 7so now instead you should forgive and console him, so that he may not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.
  • "Yet behold: Here I am"
  • I have no idea what's going on, but I believe.
  • N.T. Wright on the presiding over his father's funeral
  • The death of a child: there is no
  • Early church love is "agape"—holistic love
  • The emotive dimensions of joy
  • What kind of seeing is involved in rejoicing?
  • "All authority on heaven and earth has been given to me."
  • "It's a matter of thinking into the world in which divine authority is constituted by self-giving love."
  • Jesus on a donkey vs. Pontius Pilate on a war horse—the redefinition of power and authority
  • "Religion is what you do to keep the fabric of society together."
  • Treating Christianity as a private matter
  • Is there any joy in the world today?
  • The confused world that comes from believing the utopian lie of modernity

Production Notes

  • This podcast featured New Testament Scholar N.T. Wright and theologian Miroslav Volf
  • Edited and Produced by Evan Rosa
  • Hosted by Evan Rosa
  • Production Assistance by Martin Chan
  • A Production of the Yale Center for Faith & Culture at Yale Divinity School https://faith.yale.edu/about
  • Support For the Life of the World podcast by giving to the Yale Center for Faith & Culture: https://faith.yale.edu/give
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Can we find joy in our world? It's hard enough to find genuine, death-defying joy in the wake of the failure of the modern utopian project, the expectation that human reason and technology and political revolution might save us all. Overlay the malaise of modernity with this dumb pandemic, and the prospects for joy seem bleak. But for N.T. Wright, joy doesn't depend on the whims of circumstance or the proper function of the world. He speaks of the hardy resilience of joy, even in the midst of tragic, terrible, and untimely death. He speaks of the groanings of the Spirit, laboring and working in us even and especially when we can't find the words to explain the circumstances away. Today we're sharing Miroslav Volf's 2014 interview with the New Testament scholar, theologian, and Anglican bishop N.T. Wright. He's the former Bishop of Durham, he's Emeritus Professor University of St Andrews, and is Senior Research Fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford.

NOTE: For the Life of the World is running highlights, readings, lectures, and other best-of features until May 1, 2022, when we'll be back with new conversations.

About

N.T. Wright is a New Testament scholar, theologian, and Anglican bishop. He's the former Bishop of Durham, he's Emeritus Professor University of St Andrews, and is Senior Research Fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford. He's the author of many books, including Surprised by Hope, Paul: A Biography, God and the Pandemic, Simply Christian, The World the New Testament, and many more.

Show Notes

  • The connection between joy and God's deliverance and rescue
  • Joy at what God has done
  • Resurrection joy
  • Navigating "the now and the not yet"
  • What happens to joy in "the now and the not yet"
  • Waiting, suffering, and joy
  • Acts 12: James is killed by Herod's men, and Peter gets out of jail free
  • Differentiating types of suffering
  • Romans 8: The whole creation groaning as a woman in childbirth
  • 2 Corinthians 2:1-7 (NRSV) / So I made up my mind not to make you another painful visit. 2For if I cause you pain, who is there to make me glad but the one whom I have pained? 3And I wrote as I did, so that when I came, I might not suffer pain from those who should have made me rejoice; for I am confident about all of you, that my joy would be the joy of all of you. 4For I wrote to you out of much distress and anguish of heart and with many tears, not to cause you pain, but to let you know the abundant love that I have for you. 5 But if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but to some extent—not to exaggerate it—to all of you. 6This punishment by the majority is enough for such a person; 7so now instead you should forgive and console him, so that he may not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.
  • "Yet behold: Here I am"
  • I have no idea what's going on, but I believe.
  • N.T. Wright on the presiding over his father's funeral
  • The death of a child: there is no
  • Early church love is "agape"—holistic love
  • The emotive dimensions of joy
  • What kind of seeing is involved in rejoicing?
  • "All authority on heaven and earth has been given to me."
  • "It's a matter of thinking into the world in which divine authority is constituted by self-giving love."
  • Jesus on a donkey vs. Pontius Pilate on a war horse—the redefinition of power and authority
  • "Religion is what you do to keep the fabric of society together."
  • Treating Christianity as a private matter
  • Is there any joy in the world today?
  • The confused world that comes from believing the utopian lie of modernity

Production Notes

  • This podcast featured New Testament Scholar N.T. Wright and theologian Miroslav Volf
  • Edited and Produced by Evan Rosa
  • Hosted by Evan Rosa
  • Production Assistance by Martin Chan
  • A Production of the Yale Center for Faith & Culture at Yale Divinity School https://faith.yale.edu/about
  • Support For the Life of the World podcast by giving to the Yale Center for Faith & Culture: https://faith.yale.edu/give

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MLK, Willie Jennings, Keri Day / Dangerous Theology

"Let us develop a kind of dangerous unselfishness... " (Martin Luther King, Jr., April 3, 1968)

The day before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King, Jr. preached these words in Memphis, Tennessee. In a powerful and urgent message for sanitation workers in Memphis, Tennessee that's come to be known "I've Been to the Mountaintop," he considers the parable of the Good Samaritan, going on to speak prophetically and presciently of the dangers he himself faced, not knowing how very true his words were.

"We've got some difficult days ahead, but it really doesn't matter with me now because I've been to the mountain top. like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place, but I'm not concerned about that. I just want to do God's will, and he's allowed me to go up to the mountain and I've looked over and I've seen the promised land. I may not get that. But I want you to know the night that we will get to the promised land tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not feeling as have seen the glory of."

And on Monday as the collective consciousness of the world and the media turns its eyes to the legacy of of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, it's important to remember that he was not only a civil right activist and a pastor. He was also a theologian whose spiritual logic has profoundly impacted the church, the United States, and the world. That's why today as we commemerate the legacy of Dr. King, we ask the question: How should we do theology? What is the future of theology? And how should theology impact real human life? An impact that might even cultivate the dangerous unselfishness Jesus lived, the Good Samaritan lived, and Dr King lived.

In today's episode, theologians, Keri Day and Willie Jennings reflect on these questions. Keri is Associate Professor of Constructive Theology and African-American Religion at Princeton Theological Seminary, and Willie is Associate Professor of Systematic Theology and Africana Studies at Yale Divinity School. As they talk about the prospects and perils of how theology is being done today, they both share the vision that theology should touch the lives and hearts of people, a public endeavor motivated by a love for the world. They stress that theology should be inherently practical, transformative, and life-giving.

And as a celebration of Martin Luther King, Jr. and his distinctive, influential theological perspective, we're honored to have been given permission by the King Estate to feature a very moving passage from "I Have Been to the Mountaintop," in which he displays a deep and courageous and prophetic understanding of what should be at stake for the theology he preached. it's a theology of life and justice, a theology of profound and emanating love, a theology that envisions the promised land of flourishing that all God's children should be able to enjoy.

Show Notes

  • “How should theology impact real human life?” – Evan Rosa
  • “What is going right in theology?” - Matt Croasman
  • Revival of political and public theology
  • The ‘subaltern voice’
  • The difference between theology and practical theologies
  • “Intrinsic to a theology is the normative moment” Keri Day
  • “Christian theology wants to make the claim that the telos is toward something much larger, about the love of God and creation.” – Keri Day
  • How Christianity can address the pluralistic moment of the present.
  • The plurality of Christian traditions
  • Internal resources within Christian traditions for dealing with complexity and difference
  • Theology in diverse fields: literary studies, philosophy, political theory, postcolonial theory, feminist, womanist.
  • “I always think that you find people asking questions about God in really interesting places.” – Willie Jennings
  • 3 crises in theology
    • communication,
    • thinking together about a challenging topic
    • the loss of the imaginative capacity to form theological interests
  • What is a sufficient theological pedagogy?
  • What do our texts accomplish?
  • Does theology invite?
  • How to invite people into a vision of the good life
  • Plurality and Christianity
  • Violence and theology
  • Martin Luther King Jr. on the road from Jerusalem to Jerico
  • “The question is not, ‘If I stop to help this man in need, what will happen to me?’ The question is, ‘If I do not stop to help the sanitation workers, what will happen to them?’ That's the question.” – MLK Jr.
  • “Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And he's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land.” – MLK Jr.
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Black Joy / Howard Thurman's Civil Rights Theology, Stacey Floyd-Thomas on Vicious Humility and Black Joy, and David Walker's Christian Abolitionism

Sameer Yadav comments on Howard Thurman's Civil Rights Theology, Ryan McAnnally-Linz reflects on the spiritual and moral significance of David Walker's "Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World," and Stacey Floyd-Thomas talks about racial oppression via vicious humility and the life-giving dignity of Black joy. #BlackHistoryMonth

Show Notes

  • Three themes that impacted Thurman’s early religious life:
    • Divine common ground
    • Social injustice
    • Humanity of Jesus and black joy
  • “ Human life is one, and all humans are members of one another, and this insight is spiritual and it is the hard core of religious experience. My roots are deep in the throbbing reality of Negro idiom. And from it, I draw a full measure of inspiration and vitality. "An Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World" – pamphlet by David Walker
  • Freedom as a natural right
  • “What in our day do we claim as ours when in fact it belongs to God?” Ryan McAnnally-Linz
  • “Where do I find myself clinging to racial privilege as though it were rightfully mine?”
  • And where do I find myself looking for gratitude from black Americans for doing only what obedience to God requires?”
  • Stacy Floyd Thomas on not finding what she needs at CVS - inequality of representation
  • Humility as a sin
  • Humility as something that Christian theology projects onto the Church as a ‘vice grip’
  • Black joy represented by the song, "this joy that I have, this joy that I have, the world didn't give it. And the world can't take it away." – Stacy Floyd Thomas
  • “I'm black, but beautiful, oh ye daughters of Jerusalem, do not resent me or gaze upon me because the sun has chosen to favor, favorably shine upon me." Song of Solomon 1:5-6 KJV
  • “To know joy is to be certain in one's thinking, doing, and being.”
  • Salvation without destruction
  • “we can save souls without losing our minds or losing or lynching the lives of others in the process. Our work has to be not only salvific, but sane and life saving.”- – Stacy Floyd Thomas
  • What joy really feels like
  • “To know joy is to be certain in one's thinking, doing, and being.”
  • “your joy does not exact oppression from another”

Production Notes

  • This podcast featured Sameer Yadav with an appreciation of Howard Thurman, Ryan McAnnally-Linz with an appreciation of David Walker, and social ethicist Stacey Floyd-Thomas
  • Edited and Produced by Evan Rosa
  • Hosted by Evan Rosa
  • Editorial and Production Assistance by Logan Ledman
  • A Production of the Yale Center for Faith & Culture at Yale Divinity School https://faith.yale.edu/about
  • Support For the Life of the World podcast by giving to the Yale Center for Faith & Culture: https://faith.yale.edu/give

About Sameer Yadav

Sameer Yadav (Th.D. Duke Divinity School) is Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, CA. His research areas are in the philosophy and theology of religious experience, race and religion, and the theological interpretation of Scripture. He is the author of The Problem of Perception and the Experience of God: Toward a Theological Empiricism (Fortress Press, 2015), a number of articles published in various journals such as The Journal of Analytic Theology, Faith and Philosophy, and The Journal of Religion among others, as well as a number of chapters in edited volumes.

About Stacey Floyd Thomas

Stacey Floyd-Thomas is the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Chair and Associate Professor of Ethics and Society at Vanderbilt University, and is a nationally recognized scholar and leading voice in social ethics who provides leadership to several national and international organizations that educate, advocate, support and shape the strategic work of individuals, initiatives, and institutions in their organizing efforts of championing and cultivating equity, diversity, and inclusion via organizations such as Black Religious Scholars Group (BRSG), Society for the Study of Race, Ethnicity and Religion (SRER), Strategic Effective Ethical Solutions (SEES), Society of Christian Ethics (SCE) and the American Academy of Religion (AAR). She holds a PhD in Ethics, a MBA in organizational behavior and two Masters in Comparative religion and Theological Studies with certification in women’s studies, cultural studies, and counseling. Not only has she published seven books and numerous articles, she is also as an expert in leadership development, an executive coach and ordained clergy equipped with business management. As a result, Floyd-Thomas has been a lead architect in helping corporations, colleges, universities, religious congregations, and community organizations...

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